my wife was for obama, before she was against him
At the start of the primary season, my wife and I, both African-Americans and life-long Democrats, discovered we were in different corners. I was in Hillary Clinton’s corner, while my wife was in Barack Obama’s. I don’t recall exactly how our politically heartwarming discussion began, but since I am the one who’s writing this blog entry, I’ll blame my wife with landing the first salvo.
“What do you think about Barack Obama?,” my wife queried. I knew I was about to enter the twilight zone. I didn’t really want to answer. I was in a no-win situation. My marriage was doomed!
After bracing myself, I said, “I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter because she is the strongest candidate with more experience.” My wife looked at me with disbelief and disappointment because I was not supporting Barack Obama, her candidate of choice.
Then, she probed, “Why don’t you support Obama?” And, I simply answered, “He is just too inexperienced for the huge job of president of the United States.”
My wife proceeded to make her case, saying Obama could do a good job; and a black man should be given a chance; and he represents change.
She struck a nerve with me when she played the “change card” since change is Obama’s main theme. I carefully countered that the “change” battle cry has been used by every politician since the beginning of time, and it is meaningless. As we went back and forth, eventually, I asked my wife, “What is Obama going to change?” Silence followed. Did I win the debate, I thought? Not! From that point, we simply agreed to disagree.
Since then, my wife has become a political junkie. Emails, blogs, websites, books, radio, television are feeding her insatiable appetite for information on the election. She took in the information, and without any further domestic debating, arrived at her own conclusions about Obama’s candidacy. She is a changed person. She is no longer an Obama supporter. Now, that’s change you can believe in.
Here is a summary of my wife’s transformation:
Step 1: Barack Obama should be president of the United States.
Step 2: Hillary Clinton is a much stronger candidate, but she hoped that Barack Obama would win the
Democratic Party’s nomination.
Step 3: Barack Obama is a weak candidate, and she hoped that Hillary Clinton would win the
Democratic Party’s nomination.
Step 4: Barack Obama is a terrible candidate and must not be elected president of the United States.
Step 5: If Barack Obama wins the Democratic Party’s nomination, she will vote for John McCain.
My wife makes it a point to remind me she came to her current views on her own. Well, a happy ending because my wife and I are now are on the same page (whew). Marriage saved!
on August 17th, 2008 at 11:55 am
We welcome all converts into the fold!
—scl
on August 17th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
I think AA support for Obama is heartfelt, but I think both white and AA voters are waking up to the fact that they’ve been “played” by the Democratic leadership in this primary. You and your wife are profiles in courage because of your decision.
on August 17th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
African American support for Obuhbuh is irresponsibly and artificially inflated by the media. A lot of people just won’t announce their true feelings about him for fear of retribution, and some just didn’t vote at all in the primaries, rather than vote for or against him. Just because most of the black people who actually voted, voted for him, doesn’t mean that he got all, or even a majority, of the available, registered black voters.
There was a black talk radio host on Hardball after the Pa primary who estimated that as many as 200,000 black voters in Philly who could have shown up, didn’t.
on August 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
i think alot of obama.nits are starting to feel betrayed by the pied pipers flip floping oh whell lets just call it what it is he lied to them .
go hillary
on August 17th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
boogie, did you watch the Saddleback forum? I heard that o told a whopper about championing ethics and finance reform w/ mccain.
on August 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
what a great post! i’m glad to see that obama was successful in reunited the two of you, even if it was against him.
on August 17th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
It is a great post!! And yes, O offered his Ethics reform participation as an example. And what is all that constant stammering about? Does he need speech therapy?
on August 17th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Glad to have ya, and congrats on the marital bliss!
on August 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
My AA immediate family consisting of my husband and me and our two daughters started off with the 27 year old daughter a firm Obama supporter, the 37 year old daughter, her husband, me and my husband leaning Obama. Then the campaigning started. After a short period before any voting took place, it was 4 vs 1, with my 27 year old the only staunch Obama supporter. Then came the race-baiting and lying during the SC primary. With a BS in political science, a knowledge of the civil rights struggle and her mother’s part (marched with Dr. King) in the struggle, a keen sense of history and fairness, her progression to a Hillary supporter is now profound and unshakeable. She will be oversea during the election but plans to vote by absentee ballot for John McCain.
on August 17th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
hey piper saw some of it but not much.
on August 17th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
hey princess is the hurricane giveing u any problems or other pumas out there in FL
on August 17th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
No Boogie, Princess will be fine. It’s going to hit the keys and go up the west coast. Fuzzybear might get some of it though, all the way up there in G’ville.
on August 17th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Fay seems to be headed right to my island home, but my roommate, our five rescued parrots and I will stay and enjoy the spectacle (hopefully). Sometimes we get geared up with rainsuits and goggles (sand blows in your eyes) and walk in the wind. You can do that up to 75 or so. Sometimes you can lean into it and it just holds you there. Mother nature.
Back to the wonderful guest blog. I feel that aa’s are getting the short end of this stick. It comes out looking like every black American will vote solely on race without ever considering the person running. On top of that, the first time that there is a power play to put a black politician in so high a spot, and who did they pick? Of all the qualified, hard-working, long-serving black politicians out there, they picked someone who will cheat, waffle, and lie his way up. There has been a reaction from non-blacks, and there may be more. At the same time, most of the black politicians who have fought to get in a position to help their constituency, and have served them well for years, were on the podium with Hillary everywhere she appeared. These people have been thtreatened with losing their positions, called traitos and worse, just for standing up for what they beleived was right for the country and for their people. How do you right this wrong? Like having the first serious female contender be Nancy Pelosi.
on August 17th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
Warrior Princess: you stay safe. You’re not going to go surfing are you? LOL.
I dedicate this song to our poster on cosignment and his lovely bride: Sweet dreams everyone!!
It’s a nice day to start again.
It’s a nice day for a white wedding.
It’s a nice day to start again.
Hey little sister who is it you’re with?
Hey little sister what’s your vice and wish?
Take me back home
I’ve been away for so long (so long)
I let you go for so long
It’s a nice day to start again
It’s a nice day for a white wedding
It’s a nice day to start again.
There is nothin’ fair in this world
There is nothin’ safe in this world
And there’s nothin’ sure in this world
And there’s nothin’ pure in this world
Look for something left in this world
Start again
Come on
It’s a nice day for a white wedding
It’s a nice day to start again.
It’s a nice day to start again.
It’s a nice day to start again
on August 18th, 2008 at 12:39 am
See Noquarter for a read of the scathing letter McCain sent to soetoro about soetoro’s so-called bipartisan working relationship. More facts, not the typical obahblah response.
on August 18th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Your wife’s path sounds SO FAMILIAR!!!! And there will be many more traveling down that road….
In the meantime, while Howard Dean “did a jackass proud” with his comments on NPR radio… embarrassing himself, not only with the race card, but with his telling aside about “even women,” Moyers did an interview which has been reviewed by kenoshaMarge. Prof. Andrew J Bacevich really was great talking about his new book, THE LIMITS OF POWER: THE END OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.
A Tiny Light in the Darkness…(Prof. Andrew J. Bacevich on Moyers, 8/15))
http://tinyurl.com/6s9e7m
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com
on August 18th, 2008 at 9:44 am
wayne rocks…i’m so psyched he’s joining pumas in denver….we are going to have a great time reminding america of the democratic party’s thievery — our fate lies in the hands of supers now!!
on August 18th, 2008 at 9:47 am
boogie — thanks for your concern…and warrior princess — please be careful!!!!!
i thinking fay is heading further west….but i live on a island…so i may have to evac…
don’t worry gang — nothing can stop this princess from ’storming’ denver
on August 18th, 2008 at 11:38 am
ah, soetoro … so, are we still supposed to call HRC’s husband William Jefferson Blythe the third?
translation for the sarcasm impaired - it doesn’t matter one whit to the average american what Barack’s name was at birth - what are you trying to prove by continuing to trot out the soetoro issue?
on August 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
justzisguy–i actually agree with you. i think the birth certificate/school records thing is irrelevant and a red herring. however, obama did tell a whopper about campaign finance and ethics reform the other night, and that bothers me.
on August 18th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The birth certificate issue is more than likely irrelevant. The birth certificate listing him as Barry is not his his original birth certificate though; it’s his legal birth certificate, but not the original one. The original one still exists though. If he took Mr. Soetoro’s name, then he was legally adopted by Mr. Soetoro. Who is listed as the father on the Soetoro birth certificate? In cases of adoption, everything is changed but the place of birth.
When Senator Obama took back his original name, he would have had to file a legal name change. One would assume he did that.
on August 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Big surprise, but I’m with y’all on the name thing. Non-issue, especially with so many relevant ones just bursting off the vine.
on August 18th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
What is important about the birth certificate issue is not what can or can’t be found. What is important is what he is doing abou it. He is running for the most important job on the planet. Remember the ” appearance of impropriety”? For those of you who don’t seem to know what that means, it refers to the fact that when something is questioned, the best course is always to answer it thoroughly, just to set people’s minds at ease.
The same issue came up with McCain, because he was born outside the United States. So, He took the matter to the house,and they were provided with all of his papers, and actually made a ruling on his eligibility to be Pres.. The important point here is that this should be extremely easy for Obama to clear up. Whether the courts say he HAS to or not, the proper thing is to ” avoid all appearance of impropriety” and simply come up with the documents.
Then we get to why not. Possible that he can’t. That he isn’t a citizen. What a mess that would be. Or, more likely, he just doesn’t want to. He doesn’t have to, and no matter what questions anyone has, he isn’t about to be bothered.
So, you Obama people, care to speculate? Something more out there that he doesn’t want to draw attention to,or just really couldn’t give a —- what people think.
on August 18th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
thanks for the good post glad to see the recovery process worked so quickly it usually takes 12 steps
rise hillary rise
on August 18th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
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on August 18th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
ON Wednesday morning the next PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA will announce his choice foe vice-president. My inside sources say that he will choose hiliary. He will have triangulated all of you crybabies and you WILL be infatuated with the GREAT ONE. We will be united with you puma;s as our servants.
on August 18th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Sorry flaming liberal I think you are dreaming Hillary already said NO thanks-and I will not vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket see this is about not rewarding bad behavior.
Obama has been a real bad democrat-why would Hillary sacrifice her chance in 2012 by hooking onto a loser in 2008? If she does then sorry to say I thing she will soil her carreer and her chances in 2012.
I think obama knows he is going down-oh and flaming what is your source? your script of koolaid?
see you got to realize as we have been telling you all for the last month this is not about hillary…..its about the democratic process-if she joins obama then everything you all have said about her is correct and she does not deserve our support.
fuzzybeargville
on August 18th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
FLAMINGLIBERAL, it must be so pleasant in your world. What will it take for you to understand that as long as Obuhbuh is on the top of the ticket, the Democrats have a problem? You might as well tell your sources that if they think naming HRC VP at this point will unify the party, they can stuff it.
on August 18th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Remember if obama chooses Hillary it is a second sign of weakness on the part of the big “o” after allowing her name on the ballot it would show that he was too weak to run and Puma has let the dnc know that its Clinton /obama or nothing!
Is your candidate so weak that he has to have hillary to win then why put him on the top of the ticket? if he is so weak he needs to be on the bottom of the ticket.
Obama will purge all you bots because you were ineffective in keeping him strong and doing your job of distroying puma…We would be the masters and you would be the servants…
you are deranged…
fuzzybeargville
on August 18th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
good post fuzzy & Cinie the chosen one is week always has been always will. be think it would be funny as hell . who ever he chooses turnes him down again . face it nobody wants to be on that sinking ship.
go hilary
on August 18th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
“the great one” this obama.nit realy is messed up in the head.” intoxicated :”
sounds like your not only drunk on obama-aid you,v been smokin’ obama-weed.
on August 18th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Fuzzy, darling, I’m just shocked, simply shocked that you can resist such sweet nothings being whispered into your ear. I mean, they’re so charming, why wouldn’t you want to join them?
*gag* Pass me the puke bucket. I just made myself sick.
on August 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
i heard that to . obama-nation saying the McCain herd the qustions as before hand. but it more rummer . saw in the evening news i just supprised they did.nt try & blame hillary
on August 18th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I heard today that MoveOn.org is reconsidering its endorsement of BO since it’s realizing he won’t win. If you want to encourage them to switch and endorse Hillary, go to:
http://pol.moveon.org/feedback/fb/form.html?tp=suggest
on August 18th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
obama-nation dosent seem to get it. that insulting us . is the best way to win us over.
as if they could.
go hillary
on August 18th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
According to Rick at saddleback Church, this claim was not possible, since the room was completely sorounded with SS and church staff.
“Just Words”
on August 18th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Fuzzybear, I am impressed with your constraint. I would not be able to manage that. Obots should not be surprized by McCain’s performance. It is well known among the moderate republicans who voted for him, how good McCain is in debate. Obama does not know the issues well enough to go up against career politicians such as a McCain or a Clinton. These people are not liberal, and they are not flaminliberals as the one poster idenifies himself/herself. There is nothing liberal about these people; they are conformist.
on August 18th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Cone of Absurdity
http://thefledglingblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/cone-of-absurdity.html
RealClearPolitics ReaderArticles: Excellent site for political heads.
http://readerarticles.realclearpolitics.com/?period=all
on August 18th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
fuzzybear–you are awesome for delving into that sewer. make sure that you shower often to get the stench of ‘worthless hack’ off of you.
i can’t believe that the oborg is accusing mccain of cheating at the saddleback forum. do they ever take responsibility for anything? face it, o is horrible at debates and any other forum that doesn’t come equipped with a teleprompter.
on August 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Love the Women and Men at hire heels so much-My skin is raw from the Lava piper- and manolo I felt the same way as i read the comments and posts at christinas ytd i oftemn felt the urg to run to the porcelian goddess to pray…
It took all i had to not snap tommy christophers literary neck like a chicken when he said that princess and you did not start JSND! of course all the real big wigs in the jsnd/puma alliance run right to tommy and wisper our secrets in his ear so he can telegraph it to chistina and the msm.
they are in the words of my thirteen year old niece “such tools.” of course she is an intelligent child.
my favorite is christina and tommy christopher have a blogtalkradio show called anti-puma they wanted fuzzy to call but I smelled a rat a big dead stinky new york sewer ambush kind of rat. I did not go to there little show
fuzzybeargville
on August 18th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I am hoping that fay does not come my way piper and priness hope you are safe this is our fisrt big storm this year I am always
puma proud and puma prepared
fuzzybeargville
on August 18th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Be safe fuzzy dear. I’m sorry that you had to endure all of that. Fools. Their behavior will be their undoing. Interesting about that “moveon” tidbit. would love to get some intel on that one…
— scl
on August 18th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
yea stay safe everone princess,.fuzzy & w-princess
on August 18th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
yea it looks like even move-on might be wakeing up . to the reality the the chosen-one is just onther corrupt politician only diffarance hes a slow learner.
go hillary
on August 19th, 2008 at 12:39 am
Spending the entire day moving patio furniture and putting up shutters has convinced Fay to go inland, so we are just quiet and peaceful on Anna Maria. Everyone inland be safe. It is Charlie’s track,but not Charlie’s strength.
As to the latest…well, we watched BO in the debates and he is awful, just awful. Watching him speak, extemporaneously is painful. What is also painful is knowing in my heart that HRC has decided not to go for it. That doesn’t change the incredible strength that you have all shown in the last two months.
It may be true that none of this could happen without the internet, but having a good tool means nothing without the skill and strength to use it. I am proud to be a part of what you are doing, and I am thankful that I stumbled into such intelligent company.
Whatever comes next, you have my mind, and limited typing skills at your call. I don’t wonder too far from home, the parrots expect me here at 5 p.m. and I try not to disappoint, but… I do deal with a lot of people everyday, and most of them are amenable to persuasion. Those who aren’t, are generally not worth the bother. So, fellow PUMAs, we have reason to be proud,regardless of what anyone else decides to do. After Denver there is November, and after that, there is a lot of clean-up to do. That part will take some innate brilliance, luckily the PUMA movement has more than enough of that to suffice.
on August 19th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Funny thing sista i went to the andrea king shea show to listen to will bower….and even though I was clearly a democrat and a Hillary suppoter I was not harrassed.
It is sad when we go to the alleged enemies of us democrats we get more repect and better treatment than the obats. well even the republicans at that site agreed that clinton and mccain debates would be more civil and issue oriented than any “race” de-baiting that Obama would give mccain.
Obats beware and be aware the republicans care so little about our phony “racist” allegations that they will bowl right over you. I see a lot of obat road kill between now and november.
fortunately there is still a way to end the rovian style political process choose hillary-superdelegates wake up do you duty america deserve a campaign that chooses the high road, for once.
since it has been over played the race card has gone from being the Ace of clubs against its opponent to being the joker and guess what it is not a “wild card”!
morning all be safe florida pumas and jsndealers…
fuzzybeargville
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I rear-ended a car this morning on the way to work.
I knew right then and there that it was going to be a REALLY bad day.
The driver got out of the other car and wouldn’t you know it, he was a dwarf.
He stormed over to my car, looked up at me and said ‘I’m NOT f #@# ing happy!’
So I said ‘Well, which f*#@ing one are you then?’
And that’s how the fight started…..
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Well, Rey, which one was he? Grump?
Fuzzybear: what’s happening in G’ville? Lot of rain and some wind going on. Lost power for 2 hours but it’s back on now.
Great day to stay in and send more letters to the super delegates. Just used that website to e-mail Hill and Bill. Hold onto those delegates!! Hey, even in a Tropical Storm, we can still rally behind Hillary!!
Stay safe Floridians. Actually this is kind of exciting.
on August 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Tell you wife Welcome to the PUMAS!!! See if you can do it by convencing and talking we can do the same to others to turn against Obama.
on August 19th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
the party has passed you dufusses by. You sixty hippies time has passed. We are a new breed of democrats strong and intelligent. we sat by and voted for your failed candidates too long. this is our time, time for a new america, a progressive america. a time for people of color to rise up and take control of america. our time of bondage to you failures has come to an end. you wanted to align with publicans, then go join them. Iron my shirt, wash my car, pay for my dinner. traitors
on August 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
flaming, from the looks of your post, i think you’ve been under the ‘cone of idiocy’ a little too long.
on August 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Subject: An Explanation
A good story you can tell even your youngest child and they will know the difference between a liberal Democrat and a conservative Republican.
I remember the time that Catherine, one of my daughter Shannon’s friends, when she was little, told me that she wanted to be President one day.
Both of her parents are liberal Democrats and were standing there with us - and I asked Catherine, “If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?”
Catherine replied, “I would give houses to all the homeless people.”
“Wow, what a worthy goal you have there, Catherine.” I told her, “You don’t have to wait until you are President to do that, you can come over to my house and clean up all the dog poop in the back yard and I will pay you $5. Then we can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $5 to use for a new house.”
Catherine, who was about 4, thought that over for a second, while her mom looked at me, and Catherine replied, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and clean up the dog poop and you can pay him the $5.”
Welcome to the Republican Party, Catherine.
on August 19th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Flaming - contrary to this statement Iron my shirt, wash my car, pay for my dinner. Conservative treat their ladies much better than the liberals.
on August 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Just reported….the military supporting McCain over Obama 6:1.
Flamin’ your iron my shirt & etc….that is soo old and in the past. Now what is liberal I ask you about those types of attitudes? Black Power…come on…talk about the 60’s. It’s the 21st Century now, Flamin..get with it.
on August 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Oh and Flamin..iron my shirt & etc…that wasn’t the 60’s - that was the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s. 50′.
on August 19th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Oh that was the lamest posting ever…surely you gals can come up with better drivel than my wife had an epiphany. absolutely pathetic. cant his wife write for herself?
obama has 95 percent support of aa. he will have more than enough whites and hispanic support.
everyone knows that mccain is caving on every position he has ever taken including immigration.
i’m excited for next week. remember there is a cozy little jail waiting for the sore losers.
on August 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Obama will make for an excellent president so let’s make it happen.
Hillary had a chance until she became unethical, so lets support someone totally out of the political establishment this time around.
on August 19th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Hope you folks noticed in the discussion at saddleback the supreme court justices Mccain supported were scalia, thomas, alito, and roberts. he stated that he will be pro-life, will not be allowed to select a pro-choice running-mate. just a little straight talk from the guy you want leading our country. hillary got over it, so should you.
on August 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
pandering for money to go to denver? LMAO…I’ll give you nothing but my scorn. I guess you want to see hillary hand over her delegates huh? good thinkin. i’ll be partying in mile high stadium watching the chosen one get his props.
on August 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
I’m appalled because the very inexperienced Obama is being thrust on the Democratic party. Amazingly, Obama said he thought Clarence Thomas was too inexperienced to be appointed to the Supreme Court. An inexperienced presidential candidate, Obama, talking about someone else’s inexperience. Please tell me, “its only a movie…its only a movie….its only a movie..”
on August 19th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
hey appalled! great to see you.
the roe v wade argument is sooooo played out, don’t ya think? presidents only nominate judges. congress confirms them. the democratic congress needs to grow a pair and make abortion a litmus test. besides, obama has already pandered to the right on FISA, guns, the death penalty and faith-based initiatives. why should i think that he’ll be strong on women’s rights?
on August 19th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
piper in pucci said, “besides, obama has already pandered to the right on FISA, guns, the death penalty and faith-based initiatives. why should i think that he’ll be strong on women’s rights?”
Given how clueless Obuhbuh is, why should you think he can even find the Oval Office?
on August 19th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
@ Appalled
Would you PLEASE do research before you post NONSENSE.
Obama never said a word about “inexperience” in reference to Judge Thomas.
He SAID:
::: I WOULD NOT HAVE NOMINATED CLARENCE THOMAS. I DON’T THINK THAT HE WAS A STRONG ENOUGH JURIST OR LEGAL THINKER AT THE TIME FOR THAT ELEVATION.
http://rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-02.txt
Why were you so LAZY to actually post the FACTS? He never said “inexperience”… so your entire comment is a farce.
DO NOT POST FALSE INFORMATION AGAIN. Thanks
on August 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
“Obama never said a word about “inexperience” in reference to Judge Thomas.”
“I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don’t think that he, I don’t think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation. Setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of a lot of the Constitution.”
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
hey every one biden turnred the down the chosen one for VP i think thats like the 5th guy that turned him down nobody wants to be on that sinking ship.
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Gennia said,
“Obama will make for an excellent president so let’s make it happen.
Lets not! I much rather take the oldman. Truth is, not once an obots have given a good legimate reason why we should vote for the messiah. And I can honestly say, that the majority of the people here didn’t sign up for this so called unity, just incase you haven’t been paying attention. Country before party is what I’m hearing, if it should be Sen. Clinton after the convention then I can sign up for that, else Nobama is a disaster in a making for this country.
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Obama started to say that Justice Thomas didn’t have enough ‘experience’ for the Supreme Court. In mid-sentence, when Obama realized that he himself has far less experience for the presidency than Justice Thomas had for the court in 1991, he shifted and said Justice Thomas ‘was not a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time,’” said Long, a former Senate aide whose conservative group works to get “highly qualified” justices confirmed to the bench.
“This is all reminiscent of (Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid’s comment several years ago th
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
this is the link
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/18/conservatives-slam-obamas-answer-about-supreme-court-justices-at-saddleback-forum/comment-page-13/
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
just posted at the confluence:
texasdemocrat // August 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Hillary talked mostly about the platform, she says she liked how it came out.
There will be a ‘real roll-call vote’ with a paper trail. They do expect bho to win. But they did not release the delegates.
There will be Clinton whips to keep us informed on the floor, two from each state. We will all meet on Wednesday at 1pm with HRC.
They were extremely careful with their words, they gave us no big news, no big hope.
But they did NOT break our hearts.
So it goes on to Denver!
sorry t-bone and flaming liberal-the worm has begun to turn! I am so sorry the polls have obama tanking and mccain assendant.
Only hillary can save the party-darn obama wins in denver and the obats committ mass suicide on November 5th when they learn the big “o” is going back to the senate to learn the job he should have been doing the last 2 years….
Sorry t-bone and flaming liberal i will allow you to wash my car and clean teh dog poo up[ from my back yard and if you are real nice I will give you a big clinton/rendell 08 bumper sticker!
fuzzybeargville
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Gennia that link that you posted looks like you ou 1 of your fellow obama,nits
typed it up yourselfs
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Boogie, he conveyed the same message on that statement. strong enough at the time that elevation
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
ditto fuzzy
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
they way people are turning down obamas vp job. soon he might ask smoldering LIBERAL or t- Hamburger
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
i heard that the storm in fl is getting stonger over land
stay safe fl pumas
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
i heard that the storm in fl is getting stonger over land
stay safe fl pumas
on August 19th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Nader predicts Obama to pick Clinton for VP: “I don’t think he’s that dumb,” said Nader.
on August 19th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
au contraire, mr. nader, Obama has proven time and time again that he is ‘that dumb’. reports of o’s intelligence have been greatly exaggerated.
on August 19th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
intelligence i didn,nt this pied piper had any
on August 19th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
What would HH do? I think it would give it a new revelation considering that it would appeal to the loyalist? It would be interesting to see the plus and minus……..I hope not since I can wait for 2012.
on August 19th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
BTW Rumor has it that there will be no 2nd roll call. Can anyone elaborate or clarify this news.
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
unfortunatly democratic party rules preclude a “symbolic” roll call if the tide turns then sorry obama as the paper in raliegh called you today you are the presumptive candidate-a demotion from Presumptive nominee…a second ballot may be held and a third and a forth. Roll call is not tobe mistaken for a ballot.
fuzzybeargville
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Thanks Boogie: I think it’s right over me right now. There’s been tornadoes though. That scares me more since there are no sirens or basements like up north.
Just read that Senator Clinton is making emergency phone calls to delegates this evening, but no one knows why. Anyone have any ideas.
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
hmmmmmmmm that intresting
on August 19th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Ralph Nader can shove it. Obama can’t win without Senator Clinton on the ticket. It’s his massive ego that prevents him for doing what is best for our country by not picking her. His VP short list is pathetic. By not picking her, he’s just further clarifying that he has absolutely no judgment at all.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:00 am
the dels represent you & me & all the hillary suppoters the put them they are her dels but they reprsent our will .
i had a meeting in san antonio with the n hillary dels . made them plegde the vote for hillary no matter what. even if she ask them to vote for obama/ im not saying that i think she will do that. but if all the dels stand bye her we are in good shape.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:01 am
where did you read that Flowerchild2 ?
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:05 am
i dont think hillary wants the job anyway.
as far as the chosen one i dont think he wants her there
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Well I received a letter in response to a mass effort to delegates, from TX delegate, Blackwell. He said he hoped we listened to Senator Clinton and did what she asked. Sounded to me like he was saying she would be asking us to support O at the convention.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:08 am
PUMA blog, Boogie.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:12 am
ok & rember obamas not the nom anyway
we could still pull this out.
this has been a election like no other .
you never know what might happen
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:15 am
hopefully she not asking them that.
but rember they answer to us before her.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:16 am
do you have a link to that e-mail
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:17 am
True enough Boogie. It’s getting nosier out there. I might lose power. I am amazed we haven’t. Anyway…..there was another blogger on who identified himself as Paul. He was on blogtalk, and he was putting out some considerations for Hillary as VP. It sounded serious.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:17 am
I don’t know if any of you other Florida PUMAs have lived down here for very long or not. We were on a barrier island in N.C. for nine years before this barrier island for eighteen years. Fay may come back around and keep nipping. Meanwhile another one is working its way over, but, at this time of year, the African storms usually go up the Atlantic coast, the Carribean and Gulf storms usually come to Fl..
As to why HRC and Bill might be making calls… lets just keep filling up their e-mails with the word on why they can’t turn us to Obama and how we will help them save the party, and the next four years. They have to be hearing it,I have posted them, and will keep doing it until it works, or Denver,and maybe after.
Now, as to the trolls with the nonsense about ” pay for my dinner,etc.” and ” make a great President” .
WAKE UP!!
You are obviously dreaming, and it isn’t pretty. I am old enough to be your mother, and smart enough not to be. Let me tell you something. I have taken care of me and mine all my long life, continue to do so, and have never, and will never let you or anyone like you push me and mine around. If you think that getting some punk with no experience in anything but cheatin and lying nominated for President, is your road to easy street, you are sadly mistaken. Check the polls, you are not winning now, and will not win in Nov. Now lets talk, just a little, about what you are backing, what you think will be so good for you. You don’t seem to have a solid idea of what this country is, or how it works. We may be struggling to make the playing field even, more so for women than for men of color, but it isn’t going to be tipping for any particular group in the near future. If you really thought you were following a “progressive” leader, you would be over here protesting the attack on democratic ideals with us. That or you are blind, stupid, or crooked, Pick one. But don’t ever think that you will put us under your heel or your thumb. Dick Cheney couldn’t do it in eight years, and his thugs were much better trained than yours.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:22 am
hey gang. abc news says that biden walked back the ‘i’m not the guy’ statement.
i like biden, but how is picking him as vp’new politics’? he’s beholden to the banking industry and he voted for AUMF. obama used hillary’s supposed ‘war vote’ as a club to bludgeon her with every chance he got. apparently, it’s okay to vote for AUMF so long as your name isn’t Hillary Rodham Clinton.
i don’t think o will pick hillary because she’ll outshine him. even if he did, it still doesn’t make up for the disenfranchisement of two states, the caucus fraud, and the undemocratic proportionment of delegates. (it’s teh democracy, stupid!) a vote for o, regardless of who’s the vp, condones all of that. (not to mention that the job is still ‘above his pay grade’ no matter who he picks.)
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:23 am
oops, forgot to close the tag. my bad.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Cult of Obama gets hit by Realty:
http://www.radclown.com/2008/08/left-is-starting-to-get-worried-over.html
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Warrior Princess: Yes, I’ve been here. Winds outside are at 50, and the rains is going sideways. How progressive aren’t they with their degenerate, outdated iron my shirts comments? They bought hook, line and sinker into exactly what the party “establishment” wants them to believe and to follow. Blindly without question. They have acted exactly how the insiders predicted and have danced to their tune. Yep, that’s progress.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:59 am
whell put Flowerchild2
on August 20th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Yes, WP, I’ve been here. Winds are at 50-55, rain is blowing sideways. But…we still have power.
Iron my shirts…real progressive, sure. Degenerate statements made by individual who have acted exactly how Washington establishment predicted they would. They’ve bought into this whole sham, hook, line and sinker. Very progressive. I’m so impressed.
on August 20th, 2008 at 1:13 am
LOL, I didn’t think that posted. Lights flashed.
on August 20th, 2008 at 2:59 am
Sad news. Rep. Stephanie Tubb-Jones has been hospitalized in Cleveland. Her family wants no publicity at this time.
on August 20th, 2008 at 7:26 am
i just read about stephanie tubbs jones. she is an amazing woman and was such an incredible force for hillary during the primaries. here is some video that i caught of her during a hillary rally in philadelphia. i wish her a speedy recovery.
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:14 am
FRep. Tubbs-Jones is a leader among those that I keep mentioning who have stood up for black america for decades, and were pushed aside when they tried to speak to the real nees of their people and the country..
I can’t tell you which one said it, but it stayed in my mind after the big rally in L.A., : We don’t need hope. We get up and take care of our families everyday, We have lotsof hope. What we need is help.”
These black politicians see that, and backed, wholeheartedly, the candidate that they knew would be good for their people and the country, and race overrode it all. My respect goes out to all of them, and my thoughts and prayers go out to Red. Tubbs-Jones and her family.
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:36 am
warriorprincess–that was maxine waters before she jumped to obama before the south dakota and montana primaries were over.
good polling news from zogby, who isn’t always reliable, but i’ll take it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26308429
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:53 am
McCain winning in new poll,http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080820/pl_politico/12656;_ylt=AoNuVTwUnhUShTP.GClpD1yyFz4D follows trend
mabey now the S ds will wake when the see this
on August 20th, 2008 at 11:20 am
piper saw this poll but looks like you beat me to it. .
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
havent heard from princess latley
hope the storm did.nt blow her away.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Polls are pretty bad for the selectee. I guess not enough people are reading DK and HuffPo these days.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
all the polls have the pied piper on the down swing . hopefully the super Ds will see that they realy S***** up in a big way.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Just heard stephanie tubbs jones suffered an aneurysm.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
selectee?
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
boogie–i’m sure she’s fine and is just working hard on our trip to denver. meanwhile, the storm is headed in my direction.
the most interesting thing about that poll is how well mccain does on the econonmy(?!) again, zogby’s not reliable, but i’ll take it.
jaym–that’s awful. my prayers are with her.
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
piper take care dont take any chances
hopefully storm will die out soon
on August 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
boogie–just talked to princess. she’s fine and out of harm’s way from fay
on August 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
good deal.
on August 20th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
this guys is using my screen name
if it sounds like its not me.
its not .
post 119 is not me
on August 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I just read an interesting posting where obama supporter who once supported hrc has changed her mind because her husband told her to so now she is going to vote for obama. we must rally to stop these defections. give us money so we can go to denver to stop these wackos.
on August 20th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
No that isn’t Boogie. Boogie knows how to write. Whoever it is, go to Walgreens children’s book section. Buy a manual for 1st graders who need to have extra help in writing. Start at the first grade level. That should keep you busy for a while.
Piper stay safe. XXOO
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I hear ya Boogie. We know how you write. Do you notice how these O supporters can’t read or write. I’m not saying the ones who write their views, I mean the real nasty ones. What? Didn’t they graduate high school that they can’t write a sentence; they can’t spell, and really can’t convey any idea or thought. The only words they know to to spell are the four letter variety, and even that is questionable. What is their IQ? 80? What is their education level, 6th grade?
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Cavuto is saying that O is going to pick Hillary for VP. Geraldine is saying no that won’t happen. I don’t agree with Geraldine. She’s saying we have to get to know him. We know him; that’s why we are not voting for him.
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
hey dude i dont know who you are but ur realy starting to piss me off 125 123 those are not my post
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
ok girls you know 129 is not me.
pumas dont vote for obama under any circumstances
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
thats the one thing all pumas have in common we wont vote for him
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
flowerchild you know i would not vote for him even if he picked hillary. i dont think hillary would take the job anyway
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Well, I guess I will cross that bridge if we come to it. Whoever O picks, he’s up the creek. No one, not even Senator Clinton can dig him out of the hole he’s dug - - the “I’m a citizen of the world”; not visiting the troops, and that awful faith performance last weekend.
#130 posting as me…..Bob Barr is ugly. Your spelling improved though; did you get the 1st grade manual I recommended? You’re making progress. Keep it up.
on August 20th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
So what’s new? The party wants to win the bid for the White House at any rate and at any expense to what is right under any moral belief and our constitution, as we know of.
The audacity in these is beyond than Iron my shirt, wash my car, pay for my dinner, etc… This is outright insulting and should not be rewarded of any hint of reconciliation. We have always known that this day will come, if he chooses Hillary. Now is our chance to say “PUMA”.
on August 20th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Jaym: I doubt it. Can’t speak for the “other” side though. O still has to address his practice and belief in Liberation Theology. I’m the wrong one to express a view, I’m a mainstream religion person myself.
on August 20th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
jaym i think your secret meeting is a bunch of BS if they are secret how whould you know about it?
on August 20th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
i did not post that at 4:45 pm–princess, who’s using my handle?
on August 20th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
THERE DOING IT to you to now piper
these obama,nites are trying to be slick
on August 20th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
the last legit post from me was #115
on August 20th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Piper - you mean the 3:30 pm
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
nope rey, that wasn’t me.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I know it wasn’t you. however, let me share this with you. Next time find another company to host your site.
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/larry-sinclair-godaddycom-legal-action-copyright-infringement-federal-court-civil-and-criminal-complaint-tom-and-lynne-deboth-pinnacle-properties-of-little-rock-arkansas-defendants/
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
#137, I’m not sure what you are referring to. I haven’t posted anything about a secret meeting - just somethig earlier about Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones. I’ll read upthread and see if somebody posted with mu user name.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
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on August 20th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
what dose that mean rey?
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
i think that scince i looks like the obama,nites have been using handels of regulars in here . shows that we have become a major threat to them
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
i think that scince i looks like the obama,nites have been using handels of regulars in here . shows that we have become a major threat to them
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
There is only one race.
The human race.
It is time to move on and speak only of credentials and what is best for the US and the world.
Evil, corruption, greed have no color. Obama is surrounded by dubious connections of all colors.
God bless
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
They endorse the Obama nation and I wouldn’t trust them with your personal info, boogie. Btw, the handle is just a given, anyone can do that unless it is required to match the email which requires a registration to be implemented.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
You are being attacked too?
I often speak of the children of light and the children of darkness (a biblical reference). Ironically, within the past hour, a Dr. King speach was playing where he speaks of the the light and darkness. Do not let the children of darkness silence you. They will not stop me and many other concerned Americans.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Stephanie Tubbs Jones - - I loved her. Why does do we always have to lose the good people? Remember how mad she got at the RBC meeting? No one pushed her around, even that horrible Chris Matthews. He didn’t dare go too far with her because he knew she wasn’t going to put words in her mouth.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
#150 Now that was Rey.
on August 20th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
what i think is happening is that obama.nation have seen that they can not intimated any of us. so they plan on trying to turn us againt each other.
we are scareing the H**** out of them
on August 20th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Now that was Boogie.
I’ve seen that before though. The Obomots did the same thing on Gretawire. They would copy and paste a post that made them angry, hijack the person’s name and then change words around to suit them. But you could tell it was them because they couldn’t spell either.
I knew they were hijacking Jaym when they used “karma” in a response. So typical.
on August 20th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
FWC2 - I’ve seen it last week when I was changing my name to a box….lol. I think I got the girls suspecious after that though. Although I did keep my email the same despite of my email being the same. Anyhoot, I think BO is sore about his blundder@saddle back.
on August 20th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
darn, that didn’t make sense…………..”my name different”.
on August 20th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
yes its me Flowerchild but yea i saw that something just wasnt right. Flowerchild
but there messing with the wrong pumas this time
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
i dont know if anybody else saw this but when they were hijacking our post.
t-bone or any of the rest our any other obama,nits . no where to be found.
go hillary
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Rest In Peace Congresswoman Tubbs-Jones:
http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/08/20/rest-in-peace-congresswoman-tubbs-jones/
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
T-bone hasn’t really been around though has he. Why do they care?
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
my point is that there is ussaly a obama,nit posting . but this whole time when the hijacking our post was going on. there was nothing. from any obama.nit
which leaves one to wonder .? i think it might have been one or more of them
on August 20th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
“W’s” job approval went up 5%….ruh roh…..and McCain went up 5 points on the poll. Can this be painted any other way for the DNC and the SD?
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/08/bush-job-approval-rating-up-5.html
on August 21st, 2008 at 12:20 am
My heart is breaking tonight…..(rostposted at bitterpolitics and the confluence)
Creator Father Mother God/des
Tonight I ask you to watch over the great soul of Stephanie Tubbs Jones, she has always been the nations good servant but yours first. We shall miss this great champion of civil rights and women’s rights. There is tonight a void in all are hearts where the reassuring voice of your servant dwelt.
Congresswoman Tubbs-Jones was a woman of deep and abiding love for her family her constituents and her country. She embodies the spirit of the American woman. She was a mother and mentor to many her life touched every soul here in our little home. She had the faith to change the world and to speak the truth to power.
As an African American woman she spent her life climbing the mountain and leading Americans of every color to the Promised Land. She worked hard and long not because she had to but because she genuinely loved working of others. Stephanie was a true American spirit. She is loved by all who are touched by her work. This Congress woman is a true public servant.
Now she is free of the body that was too weak for so strong a soul. She has earned her merited crown. She is a protecting angel to us all, wings outstretched to provide the comfort and safety she could never do in her human body. She is a symbol to the empowerment of women all over this world.
Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones has spoken so eloquently of our Hillary and they were good friends. I believe that now above our Hillary there are angel’s wings open protecting her and guiding her. That now Stephanie Tubbs Jones along with Ann Richards are guarding and guiding Hillary through this tough time. We cannot know the plans of the cosmos or divine the stars wishes, we can only hope that your servants Stephanie Tubbs Jones watches over us tonight freed from the labors of earth.
Creator Father Mother God/des here your children we are missing our friend and advocate comfort her family in this time of loss give us strength and carry us.
Amen
on August 21st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
So I was looking at MSNBC and decided to take a look at Ms. Mantouvalos’s site. I must say, you can call me an “obamanit” if you must but you’ve got a blog. So I’m expressing myself.
What are all of you about really? I have yet seen any posting citing true democratic reasons for why you are voting for Hillary. I actually was torn between the two myself and later decided I would support Barack.
You’ve attacked Barack incessantly. Tell me…. all of the respect you’ve been asking for Barack to give you as woman, and as supporters of Hillary in general what kind of respect have you shown Barack?? So far I’ve seen NONE.
All of you asking for something that you in turn haven’t given the fellow democrat, since I would think that most of your are democrats would lead me to believe that your “values” are hollow.
As I stated earlier I was torn between the two of them. The reasons were as someone that will be taking care of my parents in the near future, I want universal healthcare… I want senseless wars to end….. I want this economy fixed….. and if there’s time I want prosecution of the wrongs our current President has commited against fellow Americans. These are the reasons why I liked both of them. I can honestly say that if Hillary won I would support her too. It’s not about her being woman, it’s about my values and what I believe in. The fact that most of you are willing to either not vote, or heaven forbid vote for John McCain means the reason you are voting for Hillary isn’t because you agree with her issues, or want the best for our country, your championing something that I still can’t figure out the boundaries of. Please tell us “Obamanits” whether for bettering our country or whether your for something else.
As an aside, because this needs to be addressed. I’ve heard repeatedly about EXPERIENCE. Well my question is what are the rules for being qualified for being President? If it’s just age then none of you should be supporting Hillary since she’s younger than McCain by far. Hell even Bill Clinton was younger than Barack was when running for President. Is it Senate experience, well Bill Clinton had NONE of that. The more I dive into this experience arguement the more I find it isn’t about that at all. There’s too many examples of people younger, or with NO senate experience running for president without a peep about their “EXPERIENCE” within the press or among party supporters. The consitution outlines clearly what the qualifications are to becoming President. If you don’t believe in that, what do you believe in? Are your qualifications obtainable by the fellow democrat? If Barack can NEVER be experienced enough or “down to earth” enough? Then the question of racism comes in. So tell me what exactly do you believe in??
on August 26th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
I don’t understand this PUMA thing (although I wear Puma sneakers, which are really cool). If you look at where the candidates stand on the issues, there is no way that a Clinton supporter should support McCain. Period. Clinton and Obama are virtually identical on economic and social issues. McCain promises more of the same NeoCon madness (whether or not he actually is that right wing in reality, he’s always been very anti-choice, and his economics aren’t good or well-thought out). I love that we have free expression in this country, but let’s give it a rest and align behind the Democratic candidate and stop giving the Republicans more fodder. We must have a Democratic president ASAP, and I don’t want to hear any more nonsense from supposed Democrats who are going to vote McCain. I think you might all be a bunch of Rush Limbaugh-loving Republican plants. And if that’s the best you guys, can do, then you’re even more scattered and afraid then we ever could have imagined. Democratic landslide in November! About damn time!