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Save your prayers for “o-ba-ma!”

Posted on August 8th, 2008 in Manolo Minx by hireheels

These can be tough times for people like us who don’t understand that Obama is The Answer To Everything ™. I’ve got enough falling apart in my life to keep me entertained—the accusations that we PUMAs are somehow responsible for the real wounds of racism in America because we don’t worship at Barack’s altar are NOT helping.

The way the faithful put it, our criticisms of arrogance on the part of the candidate and his followers are proof of our racism. Now, I’m big on thoughtful soul-searching. I think we can all benefit from what the 12-steppers call taking inventory. So I raked as much of myself over the coals as I could to figure out if I was letting my privilege manolominx_bylineas a white person affect my feelings about the presumptuous nominee. (For more about the concept of privilege—of color, gender, class—check out this primer. I wish the Obama fans would; maybe they’d learn a little about sexism and misogyny.)

Just as I was beginning to worry that I was the reincarnation of a 1920s Klansman burning crosses across the Democratic party lawn, my guardian angels dropped a surprise on me—like the most amazing designer cocktail sandals in my perfect size, just when I need them, in the back of the bargain aisle with a 75% markdown tag. The ever-fabulous PUMA Heidi Li linked to this creeptastic call from an Obama supporter to the faithful to pray for us HRC supporters. In it, an Obot says, “We can’t wait for HRC to see the light on her own, we need to begin praying for her and her supporters now. Please commit to praying for them daily to 1) stop trying to hurt the Obama’s and the Democratic party. 2) Pray God will speak to them all and change their hearts so their only pursuit will be party unity and whole heartedly backing Sen. Obama.”

Excuse me??? Hey, Barack, you let this stay on your website. The buck stops with you, dude. You want people to stop calling you arrogant? Then you and your peeps need to stop treating people who disagree with you as poor, pathetic lost souls who need only see Your Light ™ to be saved. I was suddenly snapped back into my senses by the most condescending, offensive claptrap I’ve seen in a long time from anyone who isn’t Ann Coulter.

The faces of the other political figures I’ve thought arrogant came rushing into my mind. Richard Nixon. George W. Bush. Dick Cheney. Mitt Romney, to name a few (and if Mitt becomes McCain’s running mate, I’m moving to Canada , I find him so insufferable and unqualified). I don’t see a person of color among them. Maybe that 1920s Klansman is just a scary memory from a bad movie!

Obama-fans: Keep your prayers off’n my conscience. You know what my god says? Don’t bear false witness. As you treat the least of my children, so have you treated me. And most of all, render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and leave to God that which is God’s. I’m not seeing a whole lot of those coming in my direction from your camp, lightseekers.

I’ve said this before: be very, very afraid of religious fervor surrounding political leaders. The vibe I get from the Obama faithful isn’t restored civic pride, or a pan-religious social movement like the 1960s civil rights movement. It’s a with-us-or-against-us, self-righteous club ready to intimidate, coerce, or pray us into conforming…or else. I don’t begrudge Obama the titanium ego anyone needs to run for president. I begrudge him for treating me like I’m a sinner in need of his salvation, instead of a voter whose respect he needs to earn.


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  1. on August 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    you’ve said it perfectly.

    this is supposed to be about electing a president, not “fixing our souls.” obama needs to earn our votes; we don’t need to go to him for supplication.

    it’s that constant “obama can do no wrong and anyone who won’t vote for him is evil” vibe coming from his followers that is the main reason i can’t vote for him.

    isn’t being president enough? does he really need to be a soul fixer too?

  2. FL.Puma said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Dnc has to blame it on somebody cause they doing so bad and were not falling in line

  3. on August 8th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    bless you minxie!
    — scl

  4. luckyann said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    great post! (I still can’t believe that they are actually praying for us urrrggg)

  5. Rey said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    * clap…clap…clap…nod* magnifique!

    I love it, Minx!

  6. Joflorida said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Obama’s power comes from the big money supporters. He is arrogant because of this. I also wonder, since he was created to defeat Hillary Clinton, if he has been ordered not to fail! I wonder if perhaps he is being threatened since he is in so deep with the Chicago politics and Soros and so many other big money groups, and there may be one or two that do not like the way things look now with him going down. I wonder if his family might not be in danger from his entanglement with evil. That might help explain his complete ruthleness. I know this sounds far fetched but I don’t think we realize just how many people are trying to keep Hillary out of office. I think it is jealousy of the Clintons and the fact that they know that Hillary will succeed and not be OWNED by any of them.

  7. indieyogini said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    thanks, manolo.

    his continual exhortations that we and the country as a whole are in need of transformation and redemption (that only he can provide) is so creepy. it sounds fascist. devotion to him and unexplained sacrifice are demanded, but on behalf of what?

    yesterday when a 7-year-old girl asked him why he started running for president, he replied that “america is no longer what it could be, what it once was, and I don’t want that future for my children.” reminds me of when michelle said america was “downright mean.” bill clinton would have not told a child that her country was fundamentally bad!

  8. Rey said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 9:13 pm


  9. Rey said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    oops! another blunder and they want this guys for potus?


  10. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    i dont think i could have said it better.Minx but like a said before . obama-nation is starting to sound more & more like a cult

    go hillary

  11. Still4Hill said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Cult – that would explain the baseless adulation, They’re praying for me to convert? What? I am the infidel? What comes next? A fatwa?

  12. monch said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    your post is very interesting. i do support obama. however, i have the utmost respect for hillary. i think it’s important for you to understand that not all obama supporters feel the need to pray for supporters of hillary clinton. i don’t, mainly, because i believe women have an inherent strength that most men lack. i was raised by a strong, single-woman. i have nothing but respect for that inherent strength, which i see in hillary and believe the women on this website possess.

    i don’t think the women here are racist at all. i think they feel slighted by the democrat party’s flawed process. and honestly, it shows disorganization within the entire party.

    hillary supporters deserve to be heard and their gripes understood. they need neither prayer nor appeasement. i think they need to be heard and understood.

    however, it is a total mischaracterization to say supporters of obama are following some sort of cult. for me, that sounds absurd. and i can only hope that the women here don’t actually beieve that, but you say it to express your discontent with the results of the democratic primaries. i also hope that my comment is not misconstrued as being sanctimonious. it’s just an attempt to understand your antagonsim without disrespecting you.

    obama will make an excellent president. hillary would too. but obama won. so now my primary focus is to make sure obama and not mccain wins. no one is above criticism not obama, not mccain, and not hillary. supporters of obama better get accustomed to hearing criticism if he wins. that’s the nature of politics and the freedom of the press.


  13. Diane Krupski said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I think the other dems got scared if they didn’t support him they’d look racist. No excuse for turning thier back on Hillary!
    I’ve never been racist and I resent the implication that not voting for him makes me one. I’m not voting in November!

  14. judy q said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    sorry, i always thought obama would make a terrible president, as far to the left as bush is to the right. hillary is moderate, mccain is moderate.

    i’m tired of the extreme edges of politics. government is there to run the business of the land. and we need experience now more than ever. maybe in 12 years obama. if he didn’t jump the gun, and the dnc and the msm push him so relentlessly, he’d only have to wait 8. too bad he didn’t have enough respect for his older, wiser, more expericenced party colleague.

  15. judy q said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    does anyone else sense the “mental patient nurse” tone in monch’s comment. i feel like my hand just got patted.

  16. grouse said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Don’t worry – we can use the prayers and they can use the practice!

  17. Ram said,

    on August 8th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Dear Monch,

    Given the really appalling record of the Chosen One when it comes to elections (bumping all other opponents off his electoral ballot in the Illinois state senate elections; his supporters STEALING pin number packets during the TX caucases, etc), you must understand that your comments are not being misconstrued – and that they ARE santimonious.

    These are not ‘gripes’ ; these are acts which, in many cases, are illegal – we are talking about crimes, here!

    OB will make an excellent president, you say? Put down the glass, Monch, ….that’s it…..now….slowly….. back away from the Kool-Aid!

    Peace? Not in my lifetime!

  18. Rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Obama Discovered With Yet Another Radical Association:


  19. Still4Hill said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Monch – what makes you think everybody here is a woman? There are men all over the PUMA blogs (and running some of them). And Judy! You made lemonade come out my nose! Sort of a “mental patient nurse” combined with the tone Obama used when he said Hillary had gotten “exercised” about something -an ad he ran, I think. Actually, when I think of that remark, I feel sorry for Michelle Obama – no I don’t.

  20. Rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Candidates React to Russia’s Invasion of Georgian Territory


  21. Rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    In HER Shadow


  22. Cinie said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Manolo Minx, love your take on Obuhbuhbuh (I’m sorry, I can’t help calling him that, that’s what he sounds like to me). I’ve written about perception vs. reality of rac*sm when it comes to CampO’s tactics on my new blog (I’m so proud.) Anyway, as a black woman, I resent the racial finger pointing diversion that’s being used against anybody who wants to have more of a reason to vote for somebody than a deep tan.

  23. Ram said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Dear still4hill,

    You are absolutely correct….some of us are men! And in my case, British, too; I just happen to live in the US……

  24. monch said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Thanks for the information about Obama. I will read the links you have posted to become better informed.

    If anyone has anything else I should be aware of, please post that too. I want to understand.

    It might appear odd that someone in this age of conspicuous consumerism might actually value give knowledge, wisdom, & understanding a higher priority, but people like that do exist.

    I am far from rich. I am a Black man. I don’t believe that Obama’s presidency will affect my financial status in the least. Neither would have Hillary’s or might McCain’s.

    Btw, while researching your links for Obama, I will also research some links for Hillary. Everyone has some dirt, even Hillary’s association with a firm, during the 70′s, that represented the Black Panthers. That alone shows Hillary isn’t a racist. Why would I think all of her supporters are? Some, maybe. But all…impossible.

    I still wish everyone peace. Not just in politics. Politics is a single aspect of all of our lives. But in life in general. I wish you peace even if you don’t vote for Obama.


  25. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    monch you had to go all the way back to the 70s before you could find dirt on her.on the chosen one i can go back just a few days ti find some him pulling some shady S****

  26. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    u said uv got a link that has hillary backing the black panthers those miltants if you do why not post it.
    or mabey scince a panther is kinds like a puma your saying that she been with us scince the &70s

    go hillary

  27. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:01 am

    u said uv got a link that has hillary backing the black panthers those miltants if you do why not post it.
    or mabey scince a panther is kinds like a puma your saying that she been with us scince the &70s

    go hillary

  28. Sara said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    To Monch,
    Would you please explain to me why you think Obama will make an “excelent president?
    Is it because of his total lack of experience,legislative accompolishments, judgment, integrity, or conviction?

  29. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    minxie–great post! i suppose i should feel honored that a group of people are praying for my redemption, but instead, like vl @ corrente, i threw up in my mouth a little.

    wow, there are so many new people here! welcome everyone.

    monch @ 5:26:
    obama is the far better candidate. a lot of people still need to get over their suppressed racist thoughts.

    monch @ 11:13:
    i don’t think the women here are racist at all.

    so class, earlier today, he implied that ‘a lot of people’ (which sounds a lot like the strawman ‘some people’) don’t support obama because they’re racist. then around 11, he says that he doesn’t think ‘the women here’ are racist at all. what a difference 6 hours makes!

    for our regulars: does anyone think that monch=tbone with a new approach?

  30. Sara said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Sorry for the misspelled words!
    Would you please explain to me why you think Obama will make an “excellent president?
    Is it because of his total lack of experience, legislative accomplishments, judgment, integrity, or conviction?

  31. Sara said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Why do you think Obama is the far better candidate?

  32. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:36 am

    sara–i’d be interested to hear that too. i’ll venture to guess that his reasons are hope&trade and/or change&trade.

  33. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:41 am

    damn, let me try that again:

    sara-i’d be interested to hear that too. i’ll venture to guess that his reasons are hope™ and/or change

  34. woodhull said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    The reason bo told that little girl that America is basically a bad country is because he thought he was Wright.

  35. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:49 am

    hey woodhull! don’t forget, according to michelle, americans are also mean, and she didn’t feel compelled to be proud of her country until her husband ran for potus.

  36. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    to add to the last comment, i guess they think americans are bad and that only they can save us.

  37. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 3:33 am

    you everyone all obama suppoters when they say he,d be a great prezz can’t realy give a reason lets . sometimes they say campare him to people that have actual done something . but not anything hes done.

    go hillary

  38. sittin straight up said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 4:55 am

    Great post, manolo! the designer cocktail sandal-bargain shows your karma is great!

    thanks to rey for posting some very good links…

    We’re prayin’ all right…puma paws placed together!!

  39. monch said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 5:33 am

    great. i checked out the links you posted and the only link that seemed to have substance was the link to the book, ‘a case against barack obama.’ unfortunately, i’m unable to read the book, so i can’t say anything about the book’s veracity. i’ll see what information i can glean about the allegations presented in the book from the internet.

    as far as why i support obama, i’ll address that question tomorrow.

    i’ll provide links to information about hillary tomorrow as well.

    for the person referring to me using the pejorative ‘t-bone,’ how old are you 56? you could at least call me lil vicious or something. t-bone…damn, that’s far too archaic a nickname. i prefer monch, as in the artist pharoahe monch. i’ll just call you judas. lol. stick with the issues mi compadre.


  40. on August 9th, 2008 at 5:48 am

    MINX….your sage wisdom is needed right now as I struggle with bouts of “narcissism and egocentrism”….from doing so much media for PUMA/Just Say No Deal/HireHeels — I’m starting to believe I’m something special….

    monch….you might say that being called ‘t-bone’ is a compliment…he our fav resident obamabot troll….he just can’t stay away….surprised not to see him right now….

    anyway, thought u deserved the clarification ;-)

    nice to see a debate in full swing – On friday I gave a lengthy interview to Jessica Yellin on CNN…and then to Jason Horowitz of the NY Observer….this weekend, try to catch us on PBS’ “On THe Contrary” with Bonnie Erbe…She is one of the most objective journalists I’ve ever read (she’s also with US NEWS & WORLD REPORT)…

    Monday – I’ll be on a panel with Susan Estrich (Dukakis’ gal) & Robert Shapiro on NPR’s To THe Point…you’ll have to look up local times… that’s going to be a tough one – because 3 or 4 panelists will be asking me questions…. advice / feedback anyone??

    Finally, in Denver — pumas will be on The Daily Show with John Stewart… i’m ready for him – i need fuzzybear to craft me some comebacks for that interview….

    love u all — even the obamabots — without you, we wouldn’t be here ;-)

    i hope you join us @ the puma den …..

  41. on August 9th, 2008 at 5:57 am

    hey piper !!!

    how’s the puma leadership conference going …?? i wish i could have been there — i’ll expect a full de-brief upon your return….found you a clean floor in denver, btw — or, if you promise not to snore…, you can hop in bed with me ;-)

    i suspect pumas will be working round the clock anyway….the media think we’re going to protest by the tens of thousands behind chicken wire fencing — boy, they really don’t know the puma brand, do they?!?

  42. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:31 am

    Good morning everyone. Did someone pray for us last night? I feel very holy this AM and hear the sound of tambourines.

    A call to morning prayer:

    Hare Bama
    Hare bama
    bama bama
    Hare Hare

    Anyone need a ride to the airport?

  43. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    where are u heading flowerchild…

    princess just returned to miami!!!

    u joining us in denver???

    how bout them democrats?!?!

  44. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    now class, in this thread, monch is using a technique called ‘concern trolling’. he starts out being really nice and respectful with his attempts to relate to us, but then becomes condescending as he trys to explain why we’re wrong.

    for the person referring to me using the pejorative ‘t-bone,’ how old are you 56?

    now with this statement, monch is trying to propogate the meme that we pumas are old. it’s a rather labored effort considering that the word ‘t-bone’ isn’t really a pejorative.

    monch, the world waits with bated breath for your pearls of wisdom about ‘teh one’. :P

  45. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    trys-tries—too much conference, too little sleep! ;)

  46. terrirobin said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    love or hate George W. Bush. Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney, these men have a resume. Barack Obama gave a speech. It is insane that we are in a position to still be arguing about voting for Obama. Obama is not part of a Presidential election, he is the star of a science fiction movie.

  47. terrirobin said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Prayers from Obama supporters, apparently are ineffective, Bernie Mac has just died.

  48. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    wow, that is so sad terrirobin.

  49. terrirobin said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Piper, I agree

  50. Ram said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Dear Piper in pucci,

    ‘pearls of wisdom’ from a troll?

    Ah! I remember now….you can dissolve pearls in vinegar (quickly empties petite kosher dills from half-gallon jar)

  51. Marina said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Oh Goddess!! I will be praying too. I am praying that the undemocratic party and DNC will regain consciousness and snap out of their kool-aid induced coma. I am praying that the voices of 18 million voters will be heard. I am praying that real change can occur with Madame President Hillary.

    And as a woman of color and a life-long democrat, I resent being called racist because I choose to exercise my right as a voting citizen and not support the unqualified, inexperienced, and flip-flopping poser the party elites are foisting on me.


  52. Rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    i’ll just call you judas

    I’m with Piper on this, remember backstabber?


    I post links here all the time just to share the latest info on the messiah, nothing especial. It’s not that I hate obama or a racist but, I just don’t like him due to what he and his supporter professes him to be or what he is trying to do. Which to me are worse than any politician in history.

    Many here will not lose sight of what they think is best for this country and if your heart is in the right place, it’s not hard to see that this man will lead us to ruin. Quality breed quality, deceit breed deceit. These doesn’t require a higher education to understand in regards to his character, which really it’s puzzling to me that anyone would support this unless you are of the same quality. Forgive me for being abrupt but, as I recall, you guys don’t need us, remember?

  53. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    nice to see ya back princess .

  54. piper in pucci said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    thanks rey! keep those links and jokes coming!

    i think boogie has a crush on princess.

  55. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    hey any any Mistresses or love childs of barack obama formally known as berry time to speak up. lol

  56. Phoebe Pember said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Grow up. We lost. Do we really want another anti-abortion, pro-war guy, who cheated on his first wife and calls his current wife a word I won’t repeat in the White House for the next four years?
    I don’t.

  57. on August 9th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Thank you Marina!!! We hear ya.
    — scl

  58. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Phoebe hmmmmmmm i did,nt know that berry had a 1st wife .

  59. REZA said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm


    pardon my french – but, kiss my cosmo glass. I object to the use of the word “won” and Obama in the same sentence. You imply that he actually won! That is craziness! Apparently you haven’t heard of the voter fraud that took place, or perhaps you don’t know how caucuses work. Furthermore, the gotcha politics and the anti-clinton rhetoric employed by the DNC and the pig-in-lipstick (Donna Brazile) were pathetic, misogynistic, petty, and cruel. Quit your preachin’ at us hireheelers – we ain’t buyin’; so take your preachin’ and prayers and keep it movin’!!!!!

  60. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    yea go back to what ever rock you crawed out from under & stay there.

    go hillary

  61. david in iowa said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    What many of us have seen and known for months, most regular folks saw and were not impressed was the Germany concert weirdness.

    It has morphed from a presidential campaign into a “cult of personality”. It might get them through the convention but not even close to the Whitehouse.

  62. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Phoebe – that’s a weak arguement and rather a personal issue. Jefferson had an affair with a slave yet it didn’t stop him from leading the country in the right direction. Obama in another hand is a racist and a manipulative fag who will play his role to meet his objective. If you don’t know what his objective then just take a trip back in time and do your research.

  63. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Sorry for posting this large article from politicallyDrunk but, aren’t we tired of explaining this to the obots?


    What The Media & Obama Campaign Will Never Understand About Clinton Supporters.
    Let me start by stating that I am an Independent who believes, like the great leaders of the past, that our nation’s first and foremost priority is to protect our sovereignty, practice sound fiscal and economic policy built upon competition, and then address shifting social & cultural issues. My politics more closely resemble that of Teddy Roosevelt than any other President. You can imagine my surprise when I started this blog 3 months ago and found 70% of my early readership coming from Hillary Clinton supporters. I am not a Hillary supporter and if she were the nominee, I would most likely not vote for her. But, I have gained new respect for Hillary Clinton, and especially her supporters, who I have discovered over the past three months share views that are not that dissimilar than mine. Yes, we do disagree on many issues, but also agree on many of the most fundamental issues that should be most important in an election.

    Over the 3 months, but especially within the past week, the media has failed to fairly portray Hillary Clinton’s supporters who have refused to fall in line behind Obama. The media, for their part, have painted these supporters as “bitter, middle-aged females” angered by Hillary not winning the nomination. The Obama campaign, his surrogates, supporters and media have this fantastic notion that by Hillary pledging her support to Obama that this group will unite and fall in line. Additionally, they have created a perception that the views of this group are reflected by Obama and their lack of support has little to do with politics and everything to do with spite.

    In reality, what Clinton’s former supporters are fighting for is a return to the pre-1968 Democratic Party. The party that produced Presidential candidates that placed the interests of their country above their own pursuit of power. Presidents like FDR, Truman and Kennedy who addressed social issues, but understood that those were not the first priority of government.

    It is true, that Clinton supporters want Hillary Clinton to win the nomination, but more importantly is that in the past few months their fight has shifted from one of electing Clinton, to a platform for reforming the Democratic Party. This election has been a wake up call for Clinton supporters, who have experienced first hand the grossly biased reporting by much of the media. While they and their candidate were subjected to numerous misogynistic attacks, the media turned a blind eye. When they raised objections as to Obama’s injection of race into the ‘race’, they were themselves accused of being racists. Only recently has the Obama campaign’s tactics had light shed on them.

    More importantly however is that Clinton supporters realized that their party leadership that has consistently accused Republican of suppressing the vote, turned out to have manipulated their primary system so as to disenfranchise voters in nearly every state of the union. The have awoken to realize, what many of us have known for years, that today’s Democratic leadership is interested in one thing and one thing only: Power!

    John McCain has been openly criticized and attacked by members of his own party, conservatives and moderates alike. Rush Limbaugh, the most well-known voice of conservatism has been relentless in his criticism of McCain. Yet, you don’t see McCain supporters turning against staunch conservatives and you don’t see a blatant effort to silence dissent within the Republican Party. On the other hand, millions of moderate Democrats who support Hillary Clinton have not experienced this level of welcome dissension and respect. The leadership of their own party helped by zealot Obama supporters have done everything in their power to silence any voice of dissension. Many Democrats overlooked this lack of respect for dissension when it happened to Joe Liebermann, but now notice when it has happened to them.

    Clinton’s supporters are a far cry from the “bitter, middle aged female” picture that the media has painted. I can tell everyone first hand, that these Men and Women are among the most respectful and articulate individuals you could hope to have a conversation with. I have followed their posts since the beginning of the summer at many Puma Sites, and although they know I am not a Clinton supporter they have welcomed my comments and been respectful towards others. Their comments are typically well thought out and seldom do you see hateful or spiteful words or attacks come from their postings. Likewise, I wish I could say the same for vocal Obama supporters whose verbal attacks against this community have ranged from name calling to death threats. Supporters with the highest level of intelligence as to leave hundreds of comments on my blog amounting to: “Mcsame, Mshame… Mcdonald’s, McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken and a Pizza Hut”. Ok… I threw those last three in myself (a song my daughter sang when she was three, and ironically about the same intelligence).

    The media and more importantly the DNC and Obama campaign have failed and apparently will never understand that for most Hillary Supporters whom have not fallen in line, the issue is now beyond the nomination of Clinton; it is now an issue of Party Reform. Clinton supporters now realize what so few others know, that political parties are dangerous. By design, their purpose is to increase party power, not further the power of the people. Our founding fathers understood this and in a time of true statesmen, warned us of the dangers of this Party Power.

    The Democratic Party, led by individuals like Obama, Dean, Pelosi and Reid have been forced to show their true colors. In every action they take, they demonstrate that they are intent only upon increasing their own power. I applaud Clinton Supporters who have not fallen in line, I applaud them not because we agree on every issue, but because we agree upon the foundation of ‘equal representation’ and unique ‘Americanism’ upon which this country was founded. I am not a citizen of the world and I certainly will not commit myself to the unachievable goal of ‘saving the world’. I am a citizen of the United States of America; I am proud of my nation and its 230 year heritage; I am respectful and appreciative for those who fight and have fought for this nation; and I will not stand-by as politicians allow shreds of our sovereignty and freedom to be peeled away.

    J Brown
    August 9th, 2008

  64. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    princess has just bid ‘aloha’ to “male in FL” Sexist…and all the other pigs who left their manners @ home in their sty…

    how are the rest of my friends…don’t listen to piper, boogieman….we know the deal ;-)

  65. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    Mahalo nui loa, Princess. BTW I’m jelous of boogie.

  66. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    That’s one of the reason we love ya, Princess.

    Arevaderche, Aloha, Auf Wiedersehen, Adios, to all the swine. Your chickens have come home to rooste

  67. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Really Piper? I thought Rey had a crush on Princess.

  68. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    flowerchild … how was ur airport run…

    will u come to denver??

    (thanks rey … blushing here)

  69. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    iv been doing fine princess . glad to see ya back .

  70. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Princess: you are cracking me up. I e-mailed you. I think you’re too young to get the airport joke. Am on mom take care duty. Unless a miracle happens for an instant cure to let’s say a return to youth and vitality, I am afraid I am stuck here in the Treasure Coast surrounded by religious fanatics and sick people. Thank goodness she is just a sick person and not a fanatic. And by the way, I am talking about an 86 year old woman, (mind still sharp and unaffected) FDR die hard dem, who for the first time in her adult life will NOT be voting democrat if Hillary is not on that ticket. If she was well enough, we would both be going!!

  71. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    i wish ur mom well, flowerchild….

    will need to revisit the airport joke…did u watch the “audacity of democracy” trailer yet (on hireheels home)….one guys talks about some of the old people shut out of caucuses “not with us anymore”…. what the obama camp did in texas is disgusting…can’t wait to reveal.

  72. warrior princess said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    just a breif comment on if Bohad waited to run. I don’t think he would ever be a good president. There is no reason to think that the things he has done to get here, are not what he would do for the next eight, ten, twelve or more years. It is his way of looking at and dealing with things that make him objectionable as a leader. When they first put him forward, it was reasonable to be upset about the lack of experience thing, but now that we have gotten a good look at how he does business, there is no reason to think that more time in training would make him better at anything but lying, cheating,being devious, and being devisive. Those qualities are his stock in trade. To say he would make a good President is like saying that Nixon was a good President. I owned businesses through Nixon and hid people from the police through Nixon. A whole lot of other people could have accomplished what good he did, but few would have conceived of the evil he perpetrated on his countrymen and women. So, no Obama won’t make a good President, and no, more experience won’t help him.

  73. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    yea iv herad all kinds of storys just like the ones in the audacity of democracy” trailer. there the was state wide fraud by obamas camp in the Texas caucuses. they brought people in from the outside the state . and paid them whell just to stur up troubel during the caucuses..

  74. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    a not-so-gentle reminder on race….

    Minxie, if the Obama Camp can unabashedly label the Clintons as racists – then, indeed, we are ALL RACISTS.

    But ya know, the American People won’t be fooled twice….that dog don’t hunt anymore!!!

    No doubt race IS an issue for some — those who will NEVER be able to digest Rev. Wright and his hate speech directed at the “majority”… like it or not, The Obamas are tied at the hip with him and Trinity…they cannot renounce a 20-year relationship simply by ‘saying so’…nor can they undo the psychological impact that this ‘event’ – now seared into the memory of the viewing American public – will have in november….but, lest they forget, it will certainly be regurgitated this Fall by the GOP… then it’s game over for the DEMS.

    Our only hope is the superdelegates stepping up and answering our prayers and selecting the most electable candidate at the Convention ….God Help Us All!

  75. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 3:00 pm


  76. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    h guess regular DELs CAN Change there minds & there are alot more of them the super Ds we only need like 170 dels to change there vote. mabey it wont be that tuff after all for hillary to get the nomantion

  77. Ram said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    It would seem that the Junior Senator from Illinois has ONLY the race card to play…..nothing else! We shall see it played over and over again; when you have zero accomplishments and you can’t afford to lay on huge rock concerts with free food any more, that is all that is left in your hand.

  78. on August 9th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Learn a little about sexism and misogyny? Any woman that would do anything to allow the real sexist and misogynistic candidate John McCain is hurting women everywhere.

    Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America said, “He voted against family planning, he voted against the freedom of access to clinic entrances — that was about violence against women in clinics,” Keenan says, adding, “He voted against funding for teen pregnancy-prevention programs, and making sure that abstinence only was medically accurate. This is very, very extreme.”

    In addition, McCain has long held radical positions on reproductive issues, having consistently voted :

    * AGAINST Ensuring women’s access to birth control
    * AGAINST Providing educational information for teens on birth control
    * AGAINST Requiring health insurance companies to cover birth control

    The bill that McCain voted for that which denies coverage for birth control actually mandates coverage for Viagra! When he was confronted with this, he went into a long, long pause looking like a deer in headlights. His actual response was that he didn’t want to talk about it, he doesn’t remember his vote and he doesn’t know what his opinion is on this.

    McCain has stated that Roe vs. Wade “must be overturned.” His position is that abortion should be not legal even in cases of rape, incest or life threatening conditions for the mother.

    And there’s more!

    John McCain has opposed the Fair Pay Act – a bill that would guarantee women equal pay for equal work. To make matters worse, McCain insulted women by saying that the solution to employment discrimination was for women to get more “education and training.”

    Now, think about this. When you watch the polls and you see McCain so close to overtaking Obama, do you ever actually imagine that this man, John McCain, could be our president? Does that trouble you in any way?

    If so, than you know the only decision you can make, for woman’s sake, is to pull that lever for Barack Obama.Do you dislike him so much that you would be willing to give the presidency to an institutionalized sexist?

  79. on August 9th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    How about a few jokes from John McCain: (if vote against Barack Obama any which way, the joke is on all of us as women)

    * Back in 1986, during his initial run for the Senate, John McCain allegedly told a crude joke about rape involving a woman’s affection for an ape.

    “Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’”

    Try telling the joke this way:

    Did you hear the one about when you were attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When you finally regained consciousness and tried to speak, your doctor leaned over to hear you sigh contently and feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’

    Use your wife, your mother, or the name of any woman you respect. Appalling!

    I am seething from the thought that this man could be president, making the most important decisions of the entire world, many of them affecting women. In fact, in my earlier post, you can see the kind of sexist decisions he has made in the past by his voting record.
    * Senior national correspondent Jake Tapper, of ABC News asked McCain why he did not choose Nevada’s Republican Governor Jim Gibbons for for his state campaign chair. This is the traditional choice when the governor is of the same party. McCain explained that he had a longstanding relationship with the state’s lieutenant governor. Governor Gibbons has low approval ratings which prompted the reporter to ask if this was the reason he passed over the governor. McCain defended his choice by saying laughingly, “And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago.”

    This could only have been in reference to that fact that Gibbons was going through a high-profile divorce, with multiple charges of infidelity. Did he also know that a cocktail waitress had accused Gibbons of grabbing and threatening her with sexual assault in a parking garage?

    Replace “my wife” with your name. Not so funny, is it? Only a sexist could say something this awful.
    * McCains wife commented that his hair was getting a little thin. McCain’s temper kicked in, and refering to Chelsea Clinton, age 18, he said “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollup, you c*nt!”

    First of all, this man called his wife a “cunt!” As if this is not bad enough, he makes a predatory attack on a defenseless girl by a public figure to further his political goal. Reprehensible and discusting.
    * McCain was speaking at a GOP fundraiser in Washington, D.C. in 1998. He came up with this joke: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” Again, attacking a defensless young girl, Janet Reno and the Clinton family all in a two line joke. Put your or your daughters name in place of Chelsea, do the same for Janet Reno.

    Not so funny.
    * When asked in late January of 2008 if McCain had pressured Florida Governor Charlie Crist for his endorsement, McCain added, “It was just waterboarding.”

    This kind of remark is bad enough, but he also shows himself as a hypocrite by previously sharply criticizing Rudy Guiliani similar remarks.

    A short month later, the New Yorker reported McCain using this joke again. He was referencing the staff that left his campaign until he started winning. He said he submitted them to “a short period of waterboarding to find out what they did in their absence.”

    * It is worth noting here that when the Bush administration attempted to pass a law to allow waterboarding, McCain, having been a victim of torture himself, was against this law. Later, when he was running for president, he changed and voted for the the law. Flip flop, yes, but does this man have any moral or ethical convictions?

    * Jon Stewart’s hit series had invited McCain as his guest. When he came out, McCain joked that he’d brought Stewart an improvised explosive device as a gift from Iraq.

    This remark drew sharp criticism from the press and other for being “inappropriate and insensitive.” These devices, known as IEDs is the cause of over 1/3 of all American casualties since the 2003 invasion.

    The world is so delicate today, leaders all over the world are on edge. We cannot afford a president who might offend a world leader with his consistently offensive sense of humor.

    If he had made a joke saying he had brought Jon Stewart a gift of one of our own weapons, he may have gotten away with it. His gift was the weapon that killed our soldiers.
    * While fox news was interviewing John McCain, he took a shot at one of our allies “You know,” he said, “the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who is still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it.”

    France is heavily involved in the Afghan conflict and making these kinds of jokes about an extremely important ally created a stir from both sides of the Atlantic. This off color remark drew sharp criticism and raised doubt about the Senator’s skills as a diplomat.
    * We may have all heard his rendition of the Beach Boys tune “Barbara Ann” as “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.”

    Another strike out as a skilled diplomat. He can start a war with his insensitive attempt at humor. It’s scary.
    * This August, McCain was addressing a biker rally at the annual Sturgis Rally at Buffalo Chip campground in South Dakota.

    Referring to a traditional beauty pageant, a debauchery of topless women on parade awaiting judgement of their beauty, McCain said to a cheering public

    “I encouraged Cindy to compete,” he continued, “I told her with a little luck she could be the only woman ever to serve as first lady and Miss Buffalo Chip.”

    These kinds of remarks are so consistant you cannot even say, “So, one off color remark, c’mon, so what?

    At this point, I truely believe we are getting an unusual look straight into the heart and soul of the man and I don’t like what I see.

  80. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    dont let this obama.nit scare you girls .

  81. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    pumas don’t scare easily boogieman… u know that by now ;-)

  82. on August 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    regina stop being so easy— don’t give your vote away. every candidate should have to earn it!
    just because mccain isn’t “the one” doesn’t mean that senator obama is. i will not vote for someone simply because he is the lesser of two evils. i’m certainly not going to hand someone a promotion when he hasn’t shown up for work in his current employ but 1/3 of the time!!!

  83. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Amen Sista!

  84. on August 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Get real. There is no hope for you. You are smart enough to know that any vote that is not directly for Obama will give McCain that very little push he needs, being so close in the polls. Why do you think Obama is evil? Right wing lies? McCain’s ad’s lies? Hurt feelings? Protest vote? Protests are public. Your vote is completely private. Save us from moving backwards even further. Do the right thing for women. In your heart, behind the voting curtain, you know what needs to be done. Obama is a good man. Prove to me otherwise.

  85. on August 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    actually regina it is he (senator obama) that has some proving to do. i’d like to hear what he has to say regarding Raila Odinga…


  86. Ram said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    raila……ask the ‘organised’ people in his Chicago district whether they liked living without heat during part of one winter because his friend resko wouldn’t switch the heat on……good man? good man? I think you are using the word ‘man’ in a new and unusual way, there…………….

    Hurt feelings? That’s what teenagers have..we are WAY beyond that! Incandescent anger is not even close.

  87. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Lets put aside what we know of Barock the messiah and use some logic in this arguement.

    We have a woman and a man who is running for potus in the primary. Woman lost because certain majority of women would not support her, lets just say. Now you are telling the ladies that they are going backward and they need to do the right thing for women? That’s asinine! I think they have always been true to the cause, while you linger in a false promises of men that will give you scrap under the table. Have you ever thought about that? Well I have one word for you, “submissive”.

  88. jdona said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    If Monch wants to call me old, go ahead. I don’t care. I’m 51 years young. For every reason Monch gives me for his reason for voting for Obama, I’ll give him 2 not too. Let’s start with his complete and total disrespect for Hillary Clinton, and her supporters. Let’s go with his middle finger salute, his Annie Oakley commnet, his “periodically” comment, insinuating that she was occasionally a “little blue” which of course is a slap to every single woman and buys into the myth of a woman not having her finger on the nuke button in the Oval Office if she is PMS’ing. Lets go with his most recent remarks concerning Hillary’s supporters and him “not talking to THOSE people”. Let’s go back to him brushing off his shoulders and shoes, dismissively, like he was brushing off lint. Let’s then go back to his record or lack thereof, in winning the Illinois Senate when he forced Alice Palmer off the ballot with his teams of lawyers so he could run unopposed. And that is just for starters. This man has absolutely nothing that qualifies him to be our Commander in Chief. He has no record to run on. He has no experience. He has no plans, no policies, no convictions. He has nothing but the gift of gab, and even that has to be scripted for him to be read off a telepromptor. He is what my 103 year old grandmother calls a “blowhard”. And what I call a pompous windbag. He is arrogant, he is vain, he is smug, he is egotistical, he is “holier than thou”, he is disdainful and disrepectful, and he is condescending. Take that and add the lack of experience, the lack of a record, the lack of achievement, and the lack of core principles, and then tell me what makes this man Presidential material?

  89. manolo minx said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Wow, I leave for the day and the party continues without me!

    And Rey, you know I love you, but you’re so off on the submissive thing. A submissive knows and respects her boundaries, and so does her dominant. A doormat doesn’t. (Don’t ask how I know that.)

  90. Ram said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Ah! PLEASE can someone give me OB’s safe word…..(dear manolo minx – please don’t ask how I know about that)

  91. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Minx – Lol….I understand, if women are rule by emotion then it’s rage. =)

  92. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    its not helping your case by telling us that theres is no hope for us .” & that ” we are smart enough” your makeing it harder & harder for the chosen one to win our votes.
    by the way he has no chance of doing to any one in here.

  93. on August 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Read my posts seriously, as I have read yours, and ALL OF THEIR LINKS. It is easy to just pull things out of the campaign and exaggerate them to make your point. The more difficult challenge is to read ALL POINTS and read them critically, that means with deep thought and complete analysis. Do you find it funny to joke about a women being raped by a gorilla and loving it? Do you want a man who does find it funny to run our country? Oh, the Annie Oakley comment is nothing in comparison.

  94. on August 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    You must be a bunch of men parading as women. Sorry..

  95. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    sorry my bad princess & the rest of you girls . your right pumas don’t scare easily .

  96. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    hey Regina why dont you come over from the darkside.
    you could become the 1st o-puma on this site

  97. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    I would find it funny if Bo or McCain get rape by a gorilla…lol. What movie was that when a guy got rape by a gorilla, I’m sure you laugh your ass off. BTW that was 22 years ago and that’s a lame excuse to justify your support for far worse character. How about last week when he said America Sucks?

  98. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    and he wasn’t joking either…………..

  99. on August 9th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    regina: i did read your posts. get off your high horse. I also traveled all over this country during the primary— at my own expense!! i was verbally and physically harassed; i witnessed voter intimidation and shenanigans. i have been called the most horrible names in the book by your candidate’s people— words no woman would ever utter or should ever hear. I am completely and absolutely disgusted by the democratic party— a party I have supported all of my voting life. i will stand up and fight to have decisive and unequivocal voter reform in this country. We tout ourselves as being the example of democracy for the rest of the world and we can’t even count legally cast and certified votes correctly. It’s a disgrace. So is running a campaign on “hope and change” and saying that you’re a new kind of politician when you use the most old, dirty chicago-style political ploys in the playbook. don’t play me or my hireheels gals for fools. we know the down-and-dirty policy stats and the dull wonkish factoids— it’s just more engaging and more interesting to make it fun. If you don’t like it— may I show you the door to the closet?!? If you would like to stay, shape up and convince me that senator obama is worthy to be elected to the office with his owns actions— using the objectionable actions of another candidates to convince will not fly here. and be advised… r. vs. w.— don’t even go there!!!! boring!!! i know how to not get pregnant and I’m sick and tired of the men in suits holding reproductive rights over my head as a power play.

  100. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pm


  101. EMJ said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Here’s a link that shows the page from the Obama site about praying for us:

    Note- the associated groups include Pro-Life for Obama, Faith-Action-Change Virginia, and Barack’s Inspired Phone Bank Army

  102. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    yea im sick & tired of hearing abought all the new type of politics . is all bunch of BS & so is this hope & change s*****
    give us some examples of his new type of politics. Regina why did you vote for him.

  103. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    i mean this praying for us do well see they light and back the chosen one . i just plain creepy

    go hillary

  104. hireheels said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    hey guys…

    go to blogtalkradio right now….Darragh is doing her “MEET ME IN DENVER SHOW”….great live dishing!!


    click to listen now !

  105. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    thanks princess

  106. manolo minx said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Regina Lacava said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    You must be a bunch of men parading as women. Sorry.

    Pardon me while I don’t give a shit about your opinion of me.

  107. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    wow minx & sista ; regina: realy got you pissed today . i hope i never get on your badside

  108. on August 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    you won’t boogie. minxie and i know where the sugar is.
    — scl

  109. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Good evening everyone. The great thing about living in FL is night swimming. Float on your back and watch the stars. After reading some of these posts though, I may have to jump in again to cool off. Grrrrr.

    Great post sista; thanks for the link:

    Here’s direct quote from the article in case anyone missed it.

    “Clearly, Obama campaigned for someone who is corrupt, ruthless and has financial ties to terrorists. More importantly, Obama campaigned for a candidate who had the stated objective of dismantling US & Kenyan government efforts to root out Al Queda and other terrorist organizations. Organizations that had already caused the deaths of hundreds of Americans and Africans in embassy bombings. Senator Obama’s actions—intentional or not—were in direct conflict with the efforts and interests of US national security. I think this raises serious questions about the judgment, maturity and readiness of Senator Obama.”

    Another example of Senator Religiosity’s superior judgment – - afterall he was against the war from the beginning. We dems have so much to be proud of, don’t we?

  110. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Okay princess, the radio show was a little bit more than I can take. I think my brain is running on 8 bits now and my eyes are still moving alternately after watching the chat. How do you ladies keep up with that form of conversation…my lord.

    i hope i never get on your badside

    Boogie,…….. +100 in that intuition.

  111. rey said,

    on August 9th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Cheney and the Bushes on a Plane

    Dick Cheney, President Bush and his father are flying on Air Force One. Dick looks at Dubya, chuckles and says, “You know, I could throw a $100.00 bill out the window right now and make one person very happy.”

    Dubya shrugs his shoulders and says, “Well, I could throw ten $10.00 bills out the window and make 10 people very happy.” George Bush Senior says, “Of course then, I could throw one-hundred $1.00 bills out the window and make a hundred people very happy.”

    The pilot rolls her eyes, looks at all of them and says, “I could throw all of you out the window and make the whole country happy.”

  112. hireheels said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    very funny rey…it was a bit dishy tonight …musta been the vino….felt like pumas in ‘the view’ mode….

    i tried to call in … unsuccessfully…. but i think there’s a syndicated show there in the making!!

    nighty night — ’til sunday….

  113. piper in pucci said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    minx–you are right. i’ll also add that the submissive is actually the one in control of the dominant. the dominant will only go as far as the submissive will allow. (don’t ask me how I know that.)

  114. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    that was a preety good one rey

  115. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    thx boogie

    lol…..I’m trying to tune in to piper and minx here.

  116. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Would You Work For This Company?

    Do you fancy working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics?:

    * 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
    * 7 have been arrested for fraud
    * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
    * 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
    * 3 have done time for assault
    * 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
    * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
    * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
    * 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
    * 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year …

    Can you guess which organization this is?

    Given up yet?

  117. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    It’s the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

  118. on August 10th, 2008 at 1:39 am

    First of all, Flowerchild2, there is a link in your Canadian website in the first or second paragraph. This link will take you to a website that debunks the right wing crap that this Canadian site is talking about.

    Second of all, I just so happened to meet Barack Obama at a 4th of July parade during his run for Senate. We spoke a bit as he wasn’t so well know then. You know how you can the difference between talking to a car salesmen and a genuine person? Obama was that genuine person. I have followed both Clinton and Obama’s campaign, because they are both great candidates. But the Obama I see comes across as the same genuine Obama I met years ago. Barack Obama has a beautiful family of a mom and two girls. Unlike other politicians, he has been very loyal to his wife and kids. He wants his family to have equal rights just as much as we women do. He is a very intelligent man who has shown good judgement. He was very well received in Europe, oh, and the American press decided that he thinks he is a celebrity, or something, so that should be a reason to dislike him?

    But, I havn’t found anyone on this blog that sounds like they are really interested in hearing the arguments why Obama would be a great president.
    It sounds like you have all decided, for whatever reason, that you were not going to really study the choices that we have before us. You just want to trash Obama, have a laugh and crank out attitudes, not facts.

    Well, if McCain wins, all of us women can forget about equal pay and freedom over your own body. I hope you enjoy the insurance coverage (if you can get any) that won’t cover birth control pills but is mandated to cover Viagra (This is the bill that McCain supports). If your thing is about being submissive, than maybe you will be submit yourselves to John McCain. Be afraid, be very afraid of John McCain. Well, maybe you won’t be, ’cause you tell me you are tough. Well good for you, but if he is elected, I just may move outta here.

  119. monch said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 4:06 am

    well, i researched the voter fraud allegations made against supporters of obama. the primary souce for this information comes from someone called ‘pacific john,’ and the alleged violations occurred primarily in various precincts throughout texas.

    the basic allegations avow 1) obama supporters prevented clinton supporters from entering the caucus and 2) taking precinct packets before the legal allotted time (see clinton’s campaign counsel lyn utrecht press release).

    i am against any actions that infringe on citizen voting rights. all violations should be thoroughly investigated regardless of who is accused of committing the violation.

    as far as pacific john’s allegations, it’s difficult to verify them. he simply put forth allegations. it would have been prudent for pacific john along along with clinton campaign supporters from texas to have sued. but they didn’t…at least i didn’t discover any lawsuits during my research.

    for me, not filing a lawsuit shows imprudence on the part of clinton’s campaign counsel, a lack of desire to be president on the part of mrs. clinton, or the allegations were unsubstantiated, thus not warranting filing a law suit.

    on the other hand, in a january 17, 2008 article in the wall street journal (http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120053210112396131.html ) describes a lawsuit filed on behalf of hillary clinton sued to “shut down several caucus sites inside casinos along the Las Vegas Strip, potentially disenfranchising thousands of Hispanic or black shift workers who couldn’t otherwise attend the 11:30 a.m. caucus this coming Saturday.”

    the reality is that if you’re going to play in politics, you are going to get your hands dirty. bill clinton, another unfaithul spouse who helped turn the u.s. economy around, was a good president, but he also was involved in a lot of shady dealings. hillary’s hands aren’t clean and neither are barack’s.

    one huge benefit that hillary clinton has over barack is that she used her husband’s popularity and name reckognition to catapult her to the upper runds of the democ party. barack is savvy. he is intelligent, whether you’re willing to admit that or not. he knows how to communicate with people of various backgrounds and opinions, he understands what it takes to create ‘change’ (like implimenting laws to stem speculation on the new york mercantile exchange to regulate gas prices), and he is the best candidate to restore world wide respect for the oval office. i can name some more, detailed reasons why i support obama, but this message is already rediculously long.

    hillary clinton is intelligent. any person who graduated from yale law school and taught law at the university of arkansas school of law, the same place bill taught at. hillary’s intelligence, poise, and pragmatism is well established in my mind. perhaps moreso than it is established in the minds of many of people on this website.

    hillary clinton supports barack obama, and yet some of her supporters do not. i guess some people might view hillary hand as being forced. if she wants to become the president in the future, she has to make compromises. and if you, hillary supporters, view obama as an incompetent, “fag,” low-life, how much lower must you view hillary for supporting him? however, if you are able to justify hillary’s compromises made in order to become the president in the future, how come you can’t apply the same understanding to the compromises made by obama? honestly, ya’ll might need to reflect on the nature of u.s. politics. but don’t confuse the heart of individual politicians who realize the importance of compromise in order to achieve greater good.

    i don’t subscribe to the skewed views expressed by most pumas. i came to this site to learn about you since you were mentioned on cnn. some of you expressed yourselves intelligently, which was effective. i learned a lot from you. thanks.

    other pumas appeared too consumed in venomous rage to be coherent or constructive. i was just passing through and wanted to share in the debate taking place.

    one obama supporter mentioned the importance of preventing mccain from becoming president. i agree with her. it a shame some, all? pumas are willing to permit their dislike of obama, based on him getting the democratic party’s presidential nomination, to prevent them from voting for obama even if only to stop mccain from winning.

    truthfully, hillary and barack’s positions on the issues were practically identical. but you are willing to permit mccain, whose position on the issues are diametically opposed to hillary’s, to become the next president? you dont’ see the inherent illogic in your reasoning?

    if my candor offends anyone’s fragile ego or sense of justice…sorry. i just want to see america change for the better, not maintain the status quo. that’s why i focus on the presidential nominees’ position on the issues. as a progessive, my ideas about america’s future mostly coincide with obama’s position on the issues. i think hillary clinton’s ideas coincide with obama’s position on the issues.

    any way…we apparently see things differently.

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  120. manolo minx said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 7:45 am


    for the record…some of here will consider voting for mccain; others would rather stick our hands in a wood chipper. I haven’t seen anyone here call obama “fag” and if they do, I guarantee you us regulars will be all over them like a british footie riot.

    The real issues for me, and several of us here, are two: (1) the way the DNC unfairly promoted Obama at Clinton’s expense, broke its own rules, and allowed rampant misogyny to rule the day without even a hardy peep in response; and (2) not just Obama’s stated policies, but what he has already done in service, or in opposition, to his own stated policies in his previous public work. That’s called judging someone’s credibility. If he said he was all about getting the crud out of politics, for example (which seems to be a common theme in much of his campaigning), and he laid down with the cruddiest of the crud who hurt his constituents (such as in Resko..spelling? pardon me, no caffeine yet), I call b.s. on that. He may have had a policy to do X, but in fact he did y instead when it benefited him.

    That’s how we add up those numbers. None of those things makes us unpatriotic, or evil, or racist, or even “skewed.” I’ve been working in the trenches of politics long enough to work for and vote for several candidates while holding my nose, and I’d do it again in a heartbeat, so don’t you dare get off calling me fragile. I also believe in working for the good of my country, and this time, I honestly believe the good of my country involves holding the DNC accountable for its crap even if the cure hurts. call it political intervention, if you will, but don’t you dare belittle me in my own home. (I do, however, appreciate your last post for its detail and most of its tone. Now, that’s discourse.)

  121. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Manolo: you’re up so early. I’m about to take over “mom watch duty” by why are you? Well, actually, I was up earlier and read those. Too much this early in the AM. But the “f *g” comment…we don’t use that word, Monch, and I don’t like seeing that word even in print. So watch it my brother is gay. Regina, I’ll get to you later!!

    And since Monch, throwing around your plastic person peace, luuuuv and insults at us at 4:00 AM, I have a special war protest song you might really like, adapted of course to the current election per Senator Religiosity. So I’ll spread some of your phone peace and luuuuv, right back at ya.

  122. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 8:31 am

    Typo Monch….phony peace and luuuuv right back at ya!!

  123. on August 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am

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  124. piper in pucci said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    monch and regina–get a room!

  125. Flowerchild2 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Piper: ROFL!! that’s a good one.

  126. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    monch a precinct captain in Texas for team Hillary & if you need anther source I’m it.
    as far a Hillary & on the issues the chosen one has been flip flopping on so many times i think hes trying to for a record or something.
    go hillary

  127. boogieman7167 said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    “correction” i was a precinct captain in texas for team hillary

  128. on August 10th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    I’m quoting you from an earlier post on another article… care to clarify? or are you just flip-flopping… and actually i don’t mind someone changing their position when they become more informed— however, changing their position just to please or win favor is disingenuous. need i say more heels?

    a lot of people still need to get over their suppressed racist thoughts.
    i suggest you make “peace” with us and apologize dear monch. there is no suppression here (save vicious profanity). if there was, you would not have a voice, as I pay the bills here. carry on.
    — scl

  129. Ram said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    The One flip-flops so much he’s like a catfish newly hauled up onto the bank……….but like that catfish, he’ll soon start to stink in the hot sun.

    Someone called for a British soccer riot? (Pulls on Derby County shirt….hence the ‘ram’ epithet!)

  130. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Hmmm….I see the garbage man came early and he forgot to pick up his rubbish.

    Minx – I called him a fag, so shred me. however taken to account some of the lewd remarks that has gone and by, I thinks it’s pretty mild. Although Monch would rather disregard that to make his/her arguement.

    Monch – for the record, I am an independent voter who will vote for the old man if HRC is not the choice and you can bank on that. Not once in my regularity of posting here that I have made any advance to sway anyone of what to do with there vote despite of the early numbers in the polls. Which to me and perhaps to the majority, your words and effort to advocate is merely a lack of regards to the intellect in each individual on this site.

    Understand this, you are not the first who came here who tried the same method and tactics. This has been a pattern that we are accustom of seeing and not once it prevail. You know why? birth control pills is like tooth paste, if you don’t brush your teeth you get gingivitis and can lead to unhealthy result. Which most of us know that it’s a base necessity and not our country responsibility. What you guys want to do is mortgage our country to pay for the pills. And that cannot be, country must come first before any agenda on any party.

  131. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Rey, I totally believe you when you say that you cannot be swayed. The ideology you expressed is 100% right wing, I’m sure they welcome you into the Republican party. What I clearly do not understand is why you ever supported Hillary Clinton. She goes against everything you stand for!

  132. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Very cute on the name, I’ll give you that.

    Clearly you haven’t been paying much attention of why voters are crossing the lines. Not just the liberals but, also the conservatives. Things are really not that complicated if you want what’s best for the country. The current administration made that transition very easy for us voters to decide.

    Again, I am an independent voter. I do not beleived in a party’s interest that mninimize the voters choice, may it be conservative or not. My utmost concerned is to choose the best candidate that will lead this country which to me requires strenght, Patriotism , perseverance and steadfast in their resolute for what’s best for our nation. This country is to large to appease everyone and I don’t expect everyone to agree in everything. However, if you think that my views lead you to beleived that I am a conservative, then give your next pay check to a bum next month. Else, I’m proud to be a conservative for Hillary Clinton!

    BTW, Sen. clinton doesn’t disagree with me on everything:

    FISA – I am torn in between, considering of my concerned regarding the security of this country and the people rights.

    Minimum Wages – This is long over due

    Renewal Communities program – A very conservative view

    broadband Internet access – Why not

    Health care program (Global HIV/Aids beleived it or not) This should be closely monitor for abuse.

    Children Act – I am a parent

    Roe v. Wade – Free will, A woman should be able to choose what to do. I don’t answer for them before god.

    If you think that our country needs Obama, you got it all wrong. Our country need a President not a messiah. He maybe a good guy but, so is Jimmy Carter. And if you think Mccain is bush, then how would you explain Pres. Clinton and Jimmy carter.

  133. Regina said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Obama is not a messiah, never said he was. The press loves to paint him that way but I don’t base my ideas on one mainstream media news source.

    Anyway, this conversation is moot, because you think you know what is best for the country and it is not at all the same thing that I think.

    McCain is ignorant and not all that bright. He hates gays, women and couldn’t care less about the poor. He is a war monger and finds easy solutions through the shear power of war. We just had eight years of that. Please, no more!

  134. Regina said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Oh, and one more thing. Where do you get the idea that Carter was a bad president? The press? If Carter would have been re-elected, we would already be energy independent and flourishing.

  135. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Keyword……… IF

    How about this…. IF he could just shut his mouth about the Israelites nuclear capability.

    You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel. And you know what you get? …….rust…….why? because it’s made of weak metal substance that turns color when expose to moisture and air…..just like obambi.

  136. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    McCain is ignorant and not all that bright. He hates gays, women and couldn’t care less about the poor. He is a war monger and finds easy solutions through the shear power of war. We just had eight years of that. Please, no more!

    Who told you that the media? now they are inconvenient? Ya….please!

  137. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    I’ll share this with you, Regina. One of senator Clinton delegate here in Georgia will support obama if she doesn’t get the nod at the convention. You know why? his primary reason is because he is such a good speaker……lmao….how utterly stupid is that?

  138. Regina said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Who told me what how McCain feels about issues anywhere from gays to war? HIS VOTING RECORD, not the press.

  139. rey said,

    on August 10th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    And you would vote for a man that has flip flop 24hrs ago. Tell me why didn’t you vote for Hillary and contue to join the fight if you did so in the primary? This is what I mean by mortgaging the house to pay for the pills. I’m having a hard time of comprehending your logic.

  140. Regina said,

    on August 11th, 2008 at 3:56 am

    Please visit http://www.alternet.org/election08/90956/
    This is not even my blog, but it shows you 61 flip-flops by John McCain. Most of these flip flops are not based on compromise, but on true ethical shifts. I don’t know how I am expected to trust McCain when he doesn’t even know who he is!
    I am currently researching a post which discuss in detail the voting records of both McCain and Obama. So far, McCain’s records looks dismal for women. Obama’s vote has been consistent in his support of women.

  141. Regina said,

    on August 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Check out this story. It was written with facts, not opinions.

  142. justzisguy said,

    on August 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    I see we’re still allowing rey to use extremely abusive language here:

    a manipulative fag

    and then you say (to cover your assets):
    however taken to account some of the lewd remarks that has gone and by, I thinks it’s pretty mild.

    So much for being the change you want to see.

    as usual, rey, you get off with vicious name calling and baiting that wouldn’t be tolerated from an obama supporter.

  143. sdot said,

    on August 13th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I’m confused. Wasn’t Senator Clinton the frontrunner for the Democratic Nomination? Wasn’t she supposed to blow away the field? And those of us who vote Democratic were going to vote for her know matter what. Ultimately, it’s about the party. Right? Ultimately it’s about ending Republican rule in the White House. Right? Oh, I’m sorry I forgot, it’s all about white woman angst and women like me will continue to be invisible, will continue to be ignored because we believe the party comes first!

  144. Regina said,

    on August 13th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    To all the Hillary supporters, this might open your mind about voting for Obama:


  145. lea said,

    on August 14th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    obama is not for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  146. lea said,

    on August 14th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    my vote was gonna be for Ms.Clinton, now i doubt if i’ll even bother voting<1st time in my adult life:(…..i’m 70

  147. Frances said,

    on August 14th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Hello everybody. After reading about the “just say no deal” etc. phenomenon I had to check you guys out, and my mind is truly blown. As a woman (white, feminist, btw) I don’t understand what attempting to destroy Obama’s chances at winning the presidency will accomplish for you all. You are pretty much just repeating the Republican Party’s talking points. Since when have they been an ally in the fight for equal rights? The idea that Obama somehow “stole” the primary election is complete bullshit, and insinuating otherwise was, I think, the lowest that Hillary stooped in her fairly shameless campaign. I agree that the media was & is rife with sexism. What if you used your talents and passion to try to change that? That would be of such value to our society!! Working to help the anti-choice, pro-war, lobbyist-advised, old white man win will not. I know it must be frustrating to have charges of racism thrown at you, but it’s hard to understand your vitriol against a Democratic candidate who won and who, on almost every occasion, chose the high road in his campaign. It’s quite ironic (and very Republican-style) to accuse Obama supporters of cult-like behavior, when it seems that here is a group that will stop at nothing to get its “leader” made president of the United States. You loved Hillary. That’s great. You have reservations about Obama. That’s fine. But the truth of the matter is, he won the election. If you really like McCain better than Obama, then go ahead and vote for him. Hillary’s not going to, but you have every right. I’m sure you couldn’t care less what this Obama supporter says, but I had to say something! Thanks for the forum to do so.

  148. Irma Bragg said,

    on August 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    What a pathetic bunch of bitter people you all are. Perhaps you do deserve more of Bush and the republicans.

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