On sale now: the Pride-O-Matic!
You know, just when I think Sen. Obama’s arrogance couldn’t offer me any more fodder, there’s more. He’s starting to remind me of those late-night TV commercials for the latest home-cleaning product, where they keep throwing more stuff at you to get you to buy. On sale now: the Pride-O-Matic! More egotism and arrogance than the other leading candidates!
Yesterday’s Wall Street Journal examined the supposed negotiations going on between the Clinton and Obama campaigns. Because Sen. Clinton has so many delegates, she’s entitled under party rules to put her name into nomination. But if the report is correct, the Obama campaign’s trying to avoid that because they fear reminding everyone of how perilously close she came to beating him (even with all the dirty tricks her own party pulled against her).
There are a number of possible compromises they could work out before the end of August, involving various scenarios giving Hillary some public recognition in exchange for her agreeing to withdraw her name at one point or other in the process. But all of them contain the possibility of showing huge support among the party trench-toilers for our gal, which would embarrass and undercut Obama’s coronation nomination. Cut her out of the nomination process and risk protests on the floor of the convention. Include her and risk showing how un-unified the party is. Anything other than their perfectly-scripted Potemkin Convention would reveal the depth and breadth of the anger among Hil supporters for being shoved out of the process. That’s hardly propitious for a November victory.
Of course, the Obama camp could be afraid of contagious buyer’s remorse before Denver . His support’s already softening among his base because of his recent FISA vote and Republican-lite talk. What if he continued to shoot himself in the foot so badly that superdelegates considered him unelectable in November? If Hillary were still technically eligible for the nomination under such conditions, only a relative handful of superdelegates would have to switch votes to secure her nomination. Could that be the real reason they’re trying desperately to get her to deal away her rights on the convention floor?
But wait! There’s more!
The DNC has announced that The Precious will accept his coronation nomination at the 76,000-seat Invesco Field at Mile High, instead of the convention location (which holds about 20,000). The media types are already salivating over his magnanimous offering to the masses.
I think he just took a big, long asparagus-stinky piss all over the average Americans who actually get up off their asses to be involved in American politics.
Most convention delegates aren’t rich, powerful, famous people. Many scrape together the money to attend the convention by working overtime, pinching pennies, hoarding vacation days, even holding parties for friends and well-wishers to toss cash in the kitty. They’re young, old, middle-aged; white, black, yellow, brown, and every shade in between; white-collar, blue-collar, pink-collar. Their defining characteristic is their willingness to work, day in, day out, year after year, in local and state politics. These are the people who choose to attend the most boring meetings imaginable and become experts in wonk talk and parliamentary procedure. They force-feed themselves policy papers so that they can make sure we develop sensible public policy with input from everyday people, like them. They sacrifice time with their families and friends to become informed participants in the great American experiment. They think voting for the right candidates, from town meeting to president, is more important than voting for the next American Idol.
And Obama just whizzed all over them. By moving the coronation acceptance to the football stadium, Obama’s saying, “Your time away from your families doesn’t matter to me. Your study, your hard work, your admirable tolerance for boring meetings, your dedication, they’re irrelevant. The adoring throngs matter.”
Don’t mistake my criticism of Obama for newbie-bashing. I understand that many people don’t get involved in politics at the nuts-and-bolts level because they’re intimidated. I was one of them until I discovered, by mere luck, how easy it was to get involved. You can volunteer a little or a lot, but all you need to get in the door is a willingness to learn and to labor. It’s good for more people to want to be involved in the political process, and that includes Obama supporters, too. Democracy thrives on involvement. But being politically active isn’t just showing up at a stadium for a concert and a speech. Participation takes work. And if you want to encourage people to participate, it’s probably a bad idea to piddle on the people who actually do participate already.
The speech is scheduled for the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s “I have a dream” speech. I’m sure Dr. King would be pleased to see more Americans taking public process to heart. But what would he think of tossing aside the people who have long toiled in the trenches for liberty and justice in favor of bread and circuses?
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am
the longer this goes on, the more and more I realize this: no, absolutely zero, politician is ever to be trusted.
obama has forsaken his promise to filibuster fisa if it has immunity, as did clinton, dodd and feingold. they’re all cowards, and I can only hope that obama pays for it.
spoke with a political operative yesterday - a hillary supporter.
remember kerry and swiftboat? remember “first i was for it, then i was against it” - they took a man with a very solid senatorial record, and creamed him with half truths and smears.
this will begin on obama after denver.
seriously, do you think that mccain campaign doesn’t have something to use as a smokescreen to hide all of mccain’s transgressions?
i wish they’d throw the punch before denver.
i’m sick of them all - i’d vote for a hamster before I’d vote for either of the two presumed candidates, at this point.
mccain voted to allow torture - thanks to him (and the others who passed the military commissions act), the people I will eventually fight against (again) have no reason to see the usa as having the moral high ground on torture.
during vietnam, we could denounce what the nva did to mccain, now, we have said it’s okay.
obama, for all the other crap, has shown that he, too, wants the ability to say “i’m the decider” over listening to your phone calls.
hillary wants my support? she should have filibustered fisa, and she should vote for the bringaman amendment.
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
76,000 in a stadium - - a recipe for disaster. Dangerous!! Dangerous and foolish.
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am
american soldier
hillary is going to filibuster
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/10/clinton-support.html
she is keeping her promise .
go hillary
go pumas
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Boogieman:
thank gods!
Now, we all know, no matter what, that the GOP is going to paint obama (however he votes) as soft on terror - the same way they have treated every democrat.
and the left will say he’s soft on the republicans - which the entire senate has been!
however, maybe he has an out - the current fisa amendment does not provide immunity from criminal prosecution, only civil suits.
maybe if oboy had some balls, he’d capitolize on that.
i find it unlikely.
would president clinton prosecute the former administration?
on July 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am
hold on a second boogieman, that’s from October 2007.
What’s her current stand on it?
I thought it was a good link, but did you even look at the date?
come on, now, obama said the same thing back in october.
on July 9th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
as far i know shes against it. abought they passed a bill that banned torture & i know McCain was help pass it. but bush pulled one of those BS signing staments .
go pumas
on July 9th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
surprise…hillary is fence sitting…waiting to figure out what the most politically correct thing to do.
Its fisa folks…unlike you, i would prefer our government to stop the terrorist.
on July 9th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Maybe some media types are hyped about the move to Ivesco field, but the networks are considering cutting convention coverage because of the added expense.
Should be interesting to see how that plays out.
on July 9th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Boogieman:
“as far i know shes against it.”
When you get something up to date, let me know if she has filibustered this bill.
“abought they passed a bill that banned torture & i know McCain was help pass it. but bush pulled one of those BS signing staments.”
Have you read the law, do you know which law I’m talking about? the Military Commissions Act of 2006 “bans torture”, sure, if you say so.
However, by amending the War Crimes Act, it allows the president to authorize interrogation techniques that may nonetheless violate the Geneva Conventions and provides future and retroactive “defenses” for those who engage in or authorize those acts.
on July 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
CNN Money reported that both Clinton and Obama voted for the Feingold Dodd amendment, which would have stripped the telco immunity from the FISA reauth. Roll-call going on now but I couldn’t hear the voice replies. Will post as soon as definitive rollcall info available.
on July 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
cloture was invoked 72-26
The Senate just rejected Dodd’s amendment to strip Title II–the immunity provisions–from the bill, 32-66.
Specter amendment fails, 37-61
Bingaman fails 42-56.
there go your fourth amendment rights, america, and it’s just one more step on the path towards the imperial tyranny of the white house.
on July 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Soldier, how are you monitoring the votes? I’m looking for realtime reports but I can’t hear the streaming video well enough to tell the definitive yeas from nays.
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Jane at firedoglake reported that Obama voted yea oncloture, clinton voted nay.
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
C-SPAN said FISA bill passed, 69-28. Can’t find rollcall yet.
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
bingaman: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00166
specter: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00165
dodd:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00164
cloture:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00167
what we need to do is find democratic opponents with spines and conscience, to run against the democrats who either voted FOR cloture, or against bingaman and dodd’s amendments.
oboy tries to have it both ways with this one “I voted for the amendments” is supposed to make his constitutionalist support happy, while voting for the bill itself will alow him to look tough on terror.
where was the darling of the mainstream media, mccain - not present, that coward.
we’ve always known that a certain number of the “democrats” were really in Blue Dog/DINO territory, now we know the true numbers of traitors–barring any dramatic last-minute position changes in the vote on the actual, final FISA bill–we have a much clearer idea of where we really stand:
131 in the House and 42 in the Senate.
What does this mean? This means that the goal is not just to add 54 Dems to the House and 10 in the Senate, but tougher: 159 more in the house, 25 more in the Senate.
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
here’s where you’ll see the roll call for the bill itself, minxie:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00168
and here’s how it’s going to play out for oboy:
* he voted for the anti-immunity amendment
* The anti-immunity amendment failed
* he voted for the FISA legislation
* The FISA legislation passed
* The Republicans still run against him with the elections-for-dummies ‘message: “Obama voted uh-uh… thing terror-stop.”
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Here is a behind the scenes email from my FNC colleague Bonney Kapp who is assigned to cover the Senator Obama campaign — this is the email that gets distributed to all of us in DC Bureau….you will note the spelling errors etc. because it is done on a blackberry and done quickly….and yes, now we know where Senator Obama won’t be tonight:
From: Kapp, Bonney
To: 069 -Politics
Sent: Wed Jul 09 11:48:47 2008
Subject: Obama will not go to hrclinton fundraiser tonite due to votes
There was to be one earlier fundraising event for HRC in New York, but it is not happening because Senator Obama is staying in DC later than planned because of Senate votes. At the dinner tonight, he will be asking all of his donors to contribute to her debt, and there will be donor cards on every chair.
Bonney Kapp | FNC Political Unit
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Here is a behind the scenes email from my FNC colleague Bonney Kapp who is assigned to cover the Senator Obama campaign — this is the email that gets distributed to all of us in DC Bureau….you will note the spelling errors etc. because it is done on a blackberry and done quickly….and yes, now we know where Senator Obama won’t be tonight:
From: Kapp, Bonney
To: 069 -Politics
Sent: Wed Jul 09 11:48:47 2008
Subject: Obama will not go to hrclinton fundraiser tonite due to votes
There was to be one earlier fundraising event for HRC in New York, but it is not happening because Senator Obama is staying in DC later than planned because of Senate votes. At the dinner tonight, he will be asking all of his donors to contribute to her debt, and there will be donor cards on every chair.
Bonney Kapp | FNC Political Unit
on July 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Final vote: Clinton voted nay on the bill, Obama voted yea. Got that right from the Senate roll call tally (hat tip to american oldier).
Mr. Constitutional Scholar’s not standing up for his constitution today. Then again, McCain wasn’t even there–he was on a campaign stop.
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
“Then again, McCain wasn’t even there–he was on a campaign stop.”
but, just like the GI Bill he voted against, he’s still going to get credit for this one passing.
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
thanks for the hat, manolo … now I’ve just got to figure out what the heck to hope for: some major change before denver, or obama winning in november.
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
On Tuesday, July 8th, a new FISA bill (http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/FISAINTRO_001_xml.pdf will be brought to the floor of the Senate after having been passed by the House to amend the current FISA bill (t50 U.S.C.A. SS 1801 et seq.,) that was passed in 1978. The original FISA bill created a court as a safegaurd against the government’s abuse of spying on people without a warrant, which is a violation of the 4th Amendment.
If this bill passes, telecommunication companies that helped Bush’s administration conduct illegal warrentless wiretapping on United States Citizens will not be held accountable for violating the 4th amendment and our civil liberties.
In an effort to not let this occur, Senator Christopher Dodd is sponsoring amendment 3907 which would throw out the part of the bill that is granting immunity to the telecommunication companies. Eleven Senators are co-sponsoring the bill, including Hillary Clinton, Russ Feingold and Barack Obama.
Dodd and Feingold both have issued statements on their websites regarding their positions, while Hillary Clinton issued a statement supporting a no vote and Dodd’s amendment back in January. This is still her position as far as I know. I checked her New York website and didn’t see anything, so I guess a phone call to her office is in due order. Sometimes saying nothing is saying everything.
In October of 2007 Obama’s campaign issued this statement:
“To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.”
The filibuster is important because the bill stands to pass the Senate without Dodd’s amendment attached. The filibuster could deter the bill from actually ever getting to the floor for a vote.
Obama in another move to appease the right because he already has the left in the bag, is now voting for the FISA bill. Many of his supporters, however, are dismayed. Move-On.org has sent a letter out to its members asking them please call Obama’s office and ask him to not vote yes on the bill. This incident is extremely embarrassing for Move-On.org as they played a huge part as one of Obama’s biggest supporters and money-raisers during the democratic primary.
In a disingenuous op-ed piece on the Huffington Post, Obama says he still supports Dodd’s amendment, but doesn’t make mention of how he no longer will be supporting a filibuster. Here-in lies another Flip-Flop. Obama then tries to point out some “good” things about the bill as a way to blow dust in our eyes to the fact that what is once again not doing something he said he would do.
Instead, Obama tries to wrap up what he is doing like a re-gifted present.
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Somewhere else I read that perhaps the Obama supporters should donate $22.48 to HRC in appreciation for her voting against FISA, S. 2248
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
“traitors”? a little dramatic…don’t you think?
are you a terrorist? if no, then you got nothing to worry about with fisa.
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
tbone, did BO just send you a text message to pander that argument?
on July 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
22: rey - while I wish it were different I have to say this about Obama and filibuster: there was not enough support to maintain a filibuster even if he had tried - look at the cloture vote.
in case you aren’t aware, rey, cloture is used to stop filibuster. look at the numbers in favor of the bill itself - that alone should have told you that filibuster wouldn’t work.
of course, oboy went and voted for cloture too.
as for you, tbone -
‘ “traitors”? a little dramatic…don’t you think?’
No. it’s not dramatic to think that we should consider those who would willingly allow the president to violate the fourth amendment through private action, are traitors.
so you understand - if the government told me it was okay to search your house without a warrant, which it would be illegal for the government to do on its own, this sort of bill would make it completely okay.
“are you a terrorist? if no, then you got nothing to worry about with fisa.”
tbone, do you have any clue why fisa was passed in the first place? it was to prevent nixon era wiretap from ever happening again. it set up a court to review fisa warrants.
do you know how many fisa warrants were rejected? less than one percent.
as for your terrorist comment, you need to wise up: the white house asked the telecoms to do these sort of wiretaps before 9/11 happened, so their current asking for forgiveness, under the idea that the AUMF made it okay, is a lie.
tbone, here’s the question you need to ask yourself: should the president be above the law?
you seem to think so.
“are you a terrorist? if no, then you got nothing to worry about with fisa”
president bush - did you commit, or order someone else to commit, or authorize someone to order someone else to commit, a gross breach of the fourth amendment?
if you don’t think you did anything wrong, georgie, you have nothing to fear from applying the old fisa standards.
on July 9th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Well Hillary did it again-Obama is pissed! what happened to the Unity Pony…She VOTED Against the FISA compromise…
Donna Brazile is so angry that she is burning her flannel shirts and threw her tool belt out the window of her Ivory Tower Office.
Doesn’t she understand that she has to vote with “the one”? Does she intentionally try to embarass him? She must really want to be out in left field! What does she have principles? does she really believe in the constitution?
also Nancy was so angry that a frown actually cracked through her boxoted face!
Dean may address the nations on how freedom from unwarranted wiretapping is unamerican..
Axelfraud is looking into a speech for obama where if things go really south….how meant to push the Nay button but pushed the Yes button in error because he was distracted by a call from MO abut picking up arugulla at the whole foods on the way home.
This is for sure a swipe at Obama for America…she really must not want the VP slot….
Now will the media report on a key difference between Hillary and Obama its on the record and everyone can see they do not agree on FISA?
Can I please have my candidate back?
I can hear it now and wanted to share it!
I can hear the trolls now….defend this position your candidate took on Fisa! you cant! now go before I verbally assault your nazi jackbooted faces.
fuzzybeargville
on July 9th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
here it is in our freedom loving hillary’s own words:
STATEMENT OF SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON ON THE FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008
July 9, 2008
One of the great challenges before us as a nation is remaining steadfast in our fight against terrorism while preserving our commitment to the rule of law and individual liberty. As a senator from New York on September 11, I understand the importance of taking any and all necessary steps to protect our nation from those who would do us harm. I believe strongly that we must modernize our surveillance laws in order to provide intelligence professionals the tools needed to fight terrorism and make our country more secure. However, any surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today’s vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the
legislation in its current form.
The legislation would overhaul the law that governs the administration’ s surveillance activities. Some of the legislation’ s provisions place guidelines and restrictions on the operational details of the surveillance activities, others increase judicial and legislative oversight of those activities, and still others relate to immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the administration’ s surveillance activities.
While this legislation does strengthen oversight of the administration’ s surveillance activities over previous drafts, in many respects, the oversight in the bill continues to come up short. For instance, while the bill nominally calls for increased oversight by the FISA Court, its ability to serve as a meaningful check on the President’s power is debatable. The clearest example of this is the limited power given to the FISA Court to review the government’s targeting and minimization procedures.
But the legislation has other significant shortcomings. The legislation also makes no meaningful change to the immunity provisions. There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful.
What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens – and in particular to New Yorkers – all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity.
Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used – and used within the law – for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.
fuzzybeargville
on July 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
More words from freedom loving HRC:
And all of you will know that, because of your passion and hard work, you helped pave the way for that day. So I want to say to my supporters: When you hear people saying or think to yourself, “If only, or, “What if,” I say, please, don’t go there. Every moment wasted looking back keeps us from moving forward.
backward=backstabber
on July 9th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Soldier:
“in case you aren’t aware, rey, cloture is used to stop filibuster. look at the numbers in favor of the bill itself - that alone should have told you that filibuster wouldn’t work.”
Yes, I am aware of it. It’s a shame that it has become a traditional important to settle our difference in passing a law.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
apparently, jesse jackson was caught saying some not-very-nice things about O:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/09/jesse-jackson-apologizes-for-obama-remarks/
I wonder what part of O’s anatomy he’s referring to? It can’t be his balls, because O doesn’t have any.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
jesse was talking sh*t b/c obama was calling for personal responsibility and telling folks that if they are bringing kids into the world, they ought to take car of them…
i fail to see the problem with that…god forbid o does something right and he gets credit for it.
you folks are pathetic backstabbers.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
hey gals and friends - was this website hacked again today. it seems that about every 3rd or 4th time I log in to catch up… it just goes into never-never land.
… and i would love it if the networks DID not cover the stadium event… wouldn’t that just make axelevil’s day!
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
maybe you should write the networks and tell them how much your feelings got hurt…and then they will realize and not cover the stadium event.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit”.
People will just brush this off like the other issues.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Tbone:
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were here again.
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
“Dealing with backstabbers, there was one thing I learned. They’re only powerful when you got your back turned.”
- Eminem
on July 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Oh my….you must be running out of resource if you are quoting, eminem.
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I love your articles and your videos. I guess we can be happy that people like you are in politics and add to it a sense of whimsy, humor and fun. Love it. The Fox guy thing, beautiful. Hanitize me, I can go for days on that. Now with the new Hillary one, yes, America needs Hilary more than she needs us. Now the DNC will choose if we get Hillary or Mc Cain. If they try to make her VP, I hope she will decline. Obamas postering and maneuvering is making me ill.
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
tbone is are you done with your heil obamas for today
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
fuzzybear, We do want our candidate back. And Piper, I just saw that, Jesse didn’t say balls, he said nuts.
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
50 ways to leave Obama
The problem is all inside your head, Obama said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
Id like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave Obama
Obama said its really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning wont be lost or misconstrued
But Ill repeat myself at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave Obama
Fifty ways to leave Obama
Just slip out the back, jack
Make a new plan, stan
You dont need to be coy, roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, gus
You dont need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free
Just slip out the back, jack
Make a new plan, stan
You dont need to be coy, roy
Just listen to me <———–
Hop on the bus, gus
You dont need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free
Obama said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways
Obama said why dont we both just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning youll begin to see the light
And then Obama kissed me and I realized Obama probably was right
There must be fifty ways to leave Obama
Fifty ways to leave Obama
Just slip out the back, jack
Make a new plan, stan
You dont need to be coy, roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, gus
You dont need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free
You just slip out the back, jack
Make a new plan, stan
You dont need to be coy, roy
Just listen to me <————
Hop on the bus, gus
You dont need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
wonder where Jesse when rev wright was at his peek ?
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
and tbone how is it that we are the backstabbers..?
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Friends, please don’t feed the trolls. They leave troll scat all over the place and you just can’t get that smell out of the drapes!
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
guess tbone had to get a refill of obama-aid
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
The heat is on! Yep, I want Hillary back…
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/09/obama-takes-heat-from-mccain-camp-for-surveillance-vote/#comment-446915
on July 9th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
loved your blog today minx
keep up the good work
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
hey ya rey you never know the primary is so crazy . you might just get your wish
GO HILLARY
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Thanks, boogieman!
Y’all want some real fun? You should see the heads exploding over at Americablog, which had quite the kool-aid franchise for a while. The FISA thread is at least half filled with outrage and Obama is not spared the wrath.
Americablog should be saluted for covering it, at least. Other kool-aid stands haven’t even touched it.
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Manolo, give linky pls.
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
fisa- is like an thorne in Obama’s side and I prefer to have my attacks refered top a pincer movement not backstab…
hillary is again on stage making obama look small and radiant she is ready to be our nominee as we watch the incredible shrinking candidate. I am sure it will be nice to see Madame President.
Rush-the bad boy to bed boy-has said he believe that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee for the democratic party. He cannot for an iinstant believe that the DNC would commit suicide by giving Obama the nomination. I say the party cannnot be that self distructive.
I should be so lucky as to live to see this….
fuzzybeargville
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I am soooo loving this! I particularly love this conversation.
Busboy:
I know what your problem is, Polly, and there’s no help for it. Sorry I’ve disappointed you.
reply
Polly_Tics:
Busboy, you condescending little twit! What a cretin you turned out to be, I should have listened to others from the start. It’s really a shame and yes, you have disappointed me…
.
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
ill bet as soon as obama get back fron Iraq that hes flip .flops on that one 2
anybody else got the same feeling?
go pumas
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
ill bet as soon as obama get back fron Iraq that hes flip .flops on that one 2
anybody else got the same feeling?
go pumas
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
boogieman7167 said,
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
“ill bet as soon as obama get back fron Iraq that hes flip .flops on that one 2
anybody else got the same feeling?”
I beat you to it, Boogie.
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
whell you know what they say rey great minds think alike
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Michael:
“Rush-the bad boy to bed boy-has said he believe that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee for the democratic party. He cannot for an iinstant believe that the DNC would commit suicide by giving Obama the nomination. I say the party cannnot be that self distructive.”
I’m starting to like the idea of that stadium. However, I’m thinking that the DNC may have that idea all along. Open space, just incase they need to control the crowd…..the other crowd. Nothing wrong for a wishful thinking.
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Rey, dearest,
Here is the Americablog thread that opened up the FISA discussion. The poster barely touched it, but oh, those comments!
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
their doing a preety good job of imploding / the dem leadership/ they just did,nt count on us .
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Thomas - that is too funny. You are craking me up. Should we say 57 ways to leave Obama?
Sweet dreams everyone!!
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
I digg it Minx, sorry to trouble you….thx.
Nite Flower!
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
hey sharpton when asked abought jackson cutting obamas nuts off . its like its all good . wonder what he would have said if hillary said it or McCain?
go pumas
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
If the political cost of supporting obama becomes more that the political gain Pelosi and Dean the superdelegates and donna brazile her self will dump him like toxic waste into love canal….these people are self preservationist 1st and foremost.
We may have to put up with them to get hillary in office but thats what midterms are all about-a night of the long knives for every one of those folks who abandoned our girl.
Pelosi back to her vinyard in sanoma,dean a seat on the board of regents at the university of vermont ,brazile a post in greenland as a political corespondent for the onion. wexler wil be polishing shoes on the beach in west palm. Obama and his lovely wife will be returned to the south side to de grassroots organizing for a new gay black log cabin republicans group.
goodnight from fuzzybeargville
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
hey mabey JJ had something there …
go hillary
on July 9th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Do pledged Obama delegates have the obligation to switch votes at the convention if they feel that he no longer represents the sentiments of those that elected him?
The DNC rules not only allow it, they encourage it:
http://www.pledgednotbound.com/
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:47 am
The pundits and strategists have said that Barack Obama is reintroducing himself to the electorate. It appears that the image he is now projecting is not favorable. His political positions change with the wind. He may have voted against FISA to project the “maverick” image that John McCain already has.
PUMA NY . . . JustSayNoDeal.com . . . Clintons4McCain.com
on July 10th, 2008 at 6:49 am
Tony, thank you for the wonk-homework!
Boogie, you know I love you, man, but please, no gelding talk here. The last thing we need is to give obots any fodder that we’re getting as nasty and violent as they are! (A metaphorical chopping is fine–loss of political power is what we’re after.)
on July 10th, 2008 at 6:59 am
This is very important: Clintondems is doing another round of actions including calling your state super dels (HRC/undecideds) to let them know you support Hillary and to thank them for their support and to continue to encourage their vote for HRC. I called the 10 in my state of Washington today. All were glad to get my call and one, a person in a remote part of the state, was surprised to learn that there was so much HRC support out here. It reinvigorated her spirits and she wants to step up her support in her part of the state. Our SD’s need to hear from us so they know how important their vote is at the convention and that we truly believe we can turn the tide.
Please go to Clintondems and see the list of SD’s for your state. All their contact info is there. See “SD list” on middle right side of their page.
Take 20 minutes to make a few calls. Remind the SD’s that we want a fair roll call, a truly open convention and Hillary at the top of the ticket.
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Whoa, boy, is this good! Before I even cracked open my DNC rules, mtmurph over at Denver or Bust outwonked me. I’m not bitter, though, because she’s a delegate to the convention. She says that Article VIII, Section F, Clause 3, Subsection a of the Call to the Convention says:
a. Voting shall be by voice vote or, when prescribed by these rules, by roll call vote. The roll call voting shall follow the order as specified in Article VIII.C.7.a. A roll call vote shall also be had if the Chair is in doubt or upon demand of any delegate supported by twenty percent (20%) of the Convention’s delegates as evidenced by one of the following methods:
(1) A petition submitted to the Chair indicating support of the demand by delegations which comprise not less than twenty percent (20%) of the Convention’s delegates. In the case of the petition in support of a demand for a roll call vote, a delegation shall be taken to support the demand if a majority of its delegates have signed a petition to do so.
(2) By the rising in support of the demand by not less than twenty percent (20%) of the delegates present.
There you have it, kats and kittens. Howard the Duck can go waddle off anywhere he wants, but he can’t stop a roll call. If enough delegates want a roll call with Hillary’s name in contention, it looks like they have to have one. Start calling your sups and, if you know any, reach out to those elected delegates. Show them the luuuuuv.
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
minx, I asked this earlier, but I think it got lost on a previous post:
“I wouldn’t be shocked at all to find a vast body of allies among superdelegates ready for an excuse to vote their consciences”
but here’s a question - doesn’t this fly in the face of those who have complained about the supers (in states where the popular vote went to HRC) deciding to go with BHO?
either the supers should vote their consciences in all cases (and not just those in which they support hrc) or it’s a farce/hypocrisy.
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Don’t get me wrong, minx, I’m disgusted by bho on this issue, I just want to see consistency on the issue of who should vote what.
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
no prob minx ill keep it a littel more civil.
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
no prob minx ill keep it a littel more civil.
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Great new video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SufNm8TCqgQ
He’s a real nowehere man…
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Good morning hh crew. You have been very busy i see; keep up the good work. don’t forget to donate your fancy java in the next 48 hours (if you have the cash to spare). We are close to getting hill out of the red.
salut,
scl
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
hello…people…the party is moving on w/o you…the train has left the station…the chosen one is the nominee…the only re-switching the switchers who are switching switch that is going to happen is here in hh fantasy land…
so she gets her name called? big whoop, let her have it…if it makes everyone warm and fuzzy here…I’m all for it.
hrc said to support o
you choose not to support o= backstabber
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
americansoldier, the super delegate system was designed to nominate the candidate with the best chance of winning.
Claims that they should “vote the will of the people” and other such nonsense was just CampO’s way of moving the goalposts and trying to stack the deck.
You see Donna Brazile hasn’t resigned yet, has she?
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Soldier,
I believe the DNC rules allow delegates and sups to vote as they see fit, although with the heaviest obligation to vote as their states did. I’ll look up the exact language when I can spare a moment (the minx is a busy kitty today!), but IIRC, the general idea is that they should follow the will of the voters in all but the most serious, urgent or extreme cases.
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:20 am
my point, minxie, was that, earlier here (like prior to june), I read commentors complaining about the states where the will of the people was for HRC, but supers were going for BHO … and it’s a goose and gander thing.
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
and my point is…she lost…he won….game, set, match.
i don’t understand the point your trying to make her…whats gooses got to do with it?
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Originally yes, the sd’s were supposed to vote conscience; but OB convinced them to vote the will of their state, per PUMA website. So any SD that pledged against who won their state is going against even that changed rule. (Per the Obama coup.) I’ve already e-mailed the SD’s that did that in my state FL; there are several. Now MA was won by Clinton; do you actually think that Ted Kennedy, SD for MA, and OB’s main supporter, who even lent OB his family name; is actually going to vote according to the will of the people of MA. They CAN’T have it both ways. Grrrrr!!
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
so the sd were tricked into voting against their conscience by some magic power obama has over them???
why does voting your conscience only count here if you voted for hillary?
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
t b o n e, he paid them more.
the supers were never obligated to vote any way for any body.
they can change their minds at any point for any reason.
When HRC had more of them, campbo was against them.
When he realized they were for sale, he was for them.
after the mass primary kennedy and kerry should have switched allegiance if any hard and fast rules applied.
they didn’t because they don’t have to.
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
so your saying every sd that voted for obama sold their conscience because it was for sale? wow…
on July 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Do you think kennedy is even going to vote in denver?
I can’t take the fisa vote as an indicator, because his vote one way or the other there would have made no difference, but denver, now denver is a different thing.
will he be healthy enough to vote there, and if not, what happens to his vote?
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
“We’re told, repeatedly, by the Clintonistas that Hillary is a strong woman, yet they can’t explain why Hillary exhibits all the traits of a weak, submissive woman by remaining in a marriage with her serial adulterer husband. They can’t have it both ways.”
They don’t need to.
She could have dumped him at any time, but chose not to.
Why?
Power.
As for the serial adultery thing, who cares? what do you do in the privacy of your bedroom, hanna?
is it any of my business? No.
What if Hillary knew about it all along, and just didn’t care - in fact, what if she agreed to it?
That would put a whole new face on the situation, wouldn’t it, if his non-monogamy were agreed to by him and his wife?
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
American: he will probably send in his niece, Carolyn in his place.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
and here we go again:
Mr Varvel, the self appointed wookie thug for hire heels, with his Godwinning himself:
“now go before I verbally assault your nazi jackbooted faces.”
how much more of this nazi-baiting is going to be allowed?
this repeated use of nazi as a comparison to obama supporters has gone beyond hyperbole, right into the abusive language that hireheels claims to abhor.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
What the freakin’ sam hill does honoring your marriage vows have to do with “weakness?”
And how does not being able to pay her own campaign debts translate to helping raise money for bo in your world?
If, as you say, she’s so woefully inept, how could she help her opponent, and why would he ask?
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
The Barack Obama campaign and the DNC leaders are hoping that the PUMA and Just Say No Deal movements will go away. We live! No matter what motivates movement supporters, the movement exist.
I’m an African-American man who says “NObama!” And, I’m looking for like-minded people to join the Multi-Cultural PUMA group (includes Latinos, Asians, African-Americans, Native Americans).
email: wndrful@aol.com
Multi-Cultural PUMAs NY . . . JustSayNoDeal.com . . . Clintons4McCain.com
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Wait a second. You know, marriages don’t have to end because of infidelity. Some people actually do take their marriage vows, till death do you part - for better or for worse. Anyone that has that much forgiveness…should be commended. It’s remarkable they stayed together. Senator Clinton could have walked out years ago; she always made more money than he did. If you ever read her book, she will tell you why she stayed. Family - - and for heaven’s sakes…..she loves the man. Is that such a crime??? You know—it’s easy to love someone when they are doing all the right things…
If she didn’t really love her husband, she would have left!! It was between the two of them, and it should have never been made such a public spectacle. I swear….Watergate died down before that story. Did we talk about that for this long??? No!! That was much, much worse; President Clinton didn’t commit a crime; he should never have been asked the question to begin with, and put under oath about that.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
so if they billy & hill made over 100 million dollars since they left the white house (just a little bit more than I made) and she lent the campaign…doesn’t that mean they still have oh…around 90 million dollars left? let her pay her own damn bills. that aint chump change and she would still have 70 million left. She hasn’t even written a new book lately…I’m sure all of you would rush out and get a copy huh?
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Now, you all know I despise mccain.
A few months back, I was talking with a well educated woman about why hillary didn’t just throw in the towel, because a nominating process that went too long usually ended up with that party losing the white house.
well, the more I look, the less I see.
the things that matter to me have me unsure of whom to support:
pro-choice, pro-second amendment (and anti registration), pro freedom of speech (anti protest zone), pro freedom of religion for all (anti religion being forced by government upon those who don’t want it, anti use of government money to support religious groups, anti-dominionist), pro soldier (anti screwed up war fighting plans - don’t bring a knife to gunfight), pro peace (i’d like to be out of a job), pro free speech again (anti mccain-feingold), pro voice of the people (but wondering, what do the people who voted early do, when the candidate backs out on promises they made to win votes).
I’m a process fan: let the roll call happen the way the rules say it should, if hrc doesn’t cede her delegates … and I hope she doesn’t.
let’s have a real fight in the party, and maybe we can get a real party out of that fight, and we have a republic, if we can but keep it.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I’m a process fan: let the roll call happen the way the rules say it should, if hrc doesn’t cede her delegates … and I hope she doesn’t.
That is what it’s about for many of us (I won’t presume to speak for all)–I didn’t like the fact that Kerry won the nod in 2004 but I grit my teeth and voted for him. Why? Because I thought the process was fair on the procedural side (all media silliness nonwithstanding). This time, I believe that many things were legitimate factors in our present situation, such as Mark Penn’s lousy strategy and the media’s overhwelming misogyny. Despite those, however, I think the biggest and stinkiest factor was the DNC’s dirty politics, and I don’t have to take it sitting down.
I love a good exchange of ideas and substance, like this, but man, the trolls are getting particularly fragrant today.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
maybe I can help…
about a half a mile from where I live is a dining and shopping area which isn’t too far from Walter Reed Army Hospital where many of the wounded troops arrive from if they have been injured in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Many of the them have lost arms and legs or part of their head and will be stuck in wheel chairs for the rest of their lives. They are usually going around with family members who will have to take care of them for the rest of their lives.
I don’t know what their political affiliation is. maybe they are still gung-ho for bush…and if thats the case, then great. But we are in a war that should never have been waged. and also as you pointed out a war that has been waged poorly.
McCain & the GOP are for staying the next 100 years….O is not. Mccain wants to take on Iran…O would use diplomacy. Mccain hothead…o not hothead. i think the choice is obvious.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
obama has no idea how to manage a war.
he also has no idea how to avoid one.
pointing out that we shouldn’t need them is kindergarden level obvious.
his diplomacy skills don’t seem so obvious to me.
on July 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
josgirl - I agree with you: anyone who thinks that if obama is elected, we’re going to be out within a year is fooling themselves.
that being said, maybe mccain is worse, I’m not sure.
My information on the greater conflict - the usa vs a defensive jihad worldwide, suggests there isn’t much of a way for us to avoid a continued struggle, unless we finally say enough, and either quit doing the things the islamicists hate us for, or get ruthless, and beat them so badly they can never attack us again.
on July 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
oh yeah, well I’m rubber, and you are glue, and whatever you say to me bounces off, of me, and sticks to you…
obama has mad skillz…like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills
on July 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
More from the front: Obama holds fundraiser for Clinton and forgets to ask people to give her money. Smooooooooth!
on July 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Just a primer for our slower trolls: you can’t just give your campaign money. You can lend it money, but the rules make you pay yourself back. Hil supporters are trying to help her retire the debt.
And rumor has it she’s being much more effective raising money in her current suspended status than the presumptive nominee is as the presumptive nominee. I’m just sayin’…
on July 10th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
hana - it kills me to throw even a bone to you inexperienced trolls but I can’t let this go by “the Clintonistas thought the nomination would simply be handed to Hillary. It didn’t happen and, now, the Clintonistas are whining because they couldn’t change the rules in the middle of the process. The simple fact is Hillary lost and, in the process, ran up a huge debt that she now wants someone else to pay. I’m confident the average American would love to run up credit card debt and then have the luxury of someone else paying it. Hillary created the debt, and she should pay it. However, this would require her to take responsibility which apparently is a dirty word to leftists like Hillary Clinton.”
It is TRADITION - i.e. been done for many many many years on both sides of the aisle for a “winning” primary nominee to pay off the campaign debt of the “loser.” Obviously you are not experienced enough in how things work to know this.
You might also want to consider that BHO only won because the superdelegates came out and said they would vote for him. So in that case you could be right - since he didn’t actually win, maybe he shouldn’t be helping with the debt!
Second, you might want to check the selectee’s record on responsibility. He isn’t even six weeks into his campaign and he has already broken a major campaign promise a week. That has to be a record for irresponsibility.
“—-”We’re told, repeatedly, by the Clintonistas that Hillary is a strong woman, yet they can’t explain why Hillary exhibits all the traits of a weak, submissive woman by remaining in a marriage with her serial adulterer husband.” …
again, just an irrelevant question that if you were older and more experienced (or just wiser) you wouldn’t even bother to waste type one.
on July 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
And rumor has it she’s being much more effective raising money in her current suspended status than the presumptive nominee is as the presumptive nominee. I’m just sayin’… …
now that would send a message. What if Hill raised MORE than BHO himself AFTER they designated him the winner. Maybe Kos inspired a few to start thinking for themselves! make my day!
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
This AM as I surfed by MSNBC, I stopped to listen to Andrea Mitchell, (the witch) actually admitting that BO is not raising the money he was, not the millions he was raising she said; and she believed all this talk about OB getting his backers to pay off her debt was nothing but a ploy to get her big backers to start donating to him!! Now…that’s pretty important coming from her because she was a major Clinton basher during the primary; so for her to admit that - - on MSNBC - the National Barack Channel - it’s pretty big news!! I especially like hearing her admit that he is not raising the millions he used to. My heart bleeds.
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Forgot to mention this…Andrea Mitchell also made clear that Senator Clinton’s major backers have not moved over to back OB.
My heart bleeds on that one too.
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
hi flower child - princess. here….
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
been offline for a few hours….heard thru the grapevine there was a CNN REPORT saying Obama is losing support among women!!!!!!!!!!
trying to locate it now…
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
King Puma Will Bower was on cavuto today letting the world know that Pumas helped pay down hillary’s debt - not the obama donors…besides, we know how committed obama is based on his memory lapse yesterday….the man is soooooooo transparent….i’m glad others are beginning to take notice of the real obama.
on July 10th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
hireheels said,
on july 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
’m glad others are beginning to take notice of the real obama.
I respectfully differ. I don’t think there is a “real” obama; multiple personality disorder with emptiness inside.
on July 10th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
hello there everyone- the confluence is at $ 3872 for hillary tonight and growing I hear no quarter is raising like no tommorrow too and all the lurkers may be helping out but not telling….donna brazile is making a seating chart for the stadium coronation to split up the hillary delegates so if they walk out it will not be a big deal on camera…
of course no one seems to be even considering the security nightmare this will be the entire democratic leadership in one place at one time -i guess they never saw sunday bloody sunday? I thing hillary and big dawg bill and all her supporters should stay away let the obama-maniacs be their candidates human shield….
wipeing out one of the parties leadership in this country would sure be a tempting thing for our enemies foriegn and domestic.
fuzzybeargville
on July 10th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Hi Princess - - where have you been? Missed you!! News reported that Senator Clinton also said that the money donated will NOT go to repaying the money she personally borrowed for her campaign. I posted the call on Gretawire. Lots of Hillary’s supporters on there. One commented back that I should also add the donations also do not go to her Senate race. So I added that statement and posted that as well. Whatever works.
XXOO everyone.
P.S. Fuzzybear, I nominate you for Secretary of State. I hear that position is opening soon.
on July 10th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Fuzzybear set up a dunk donna brazile in a vat of boiling oil provided by the bush-cheny-obama energy bill-he get dunked everytime a we get a $ 50.00 donation….we ARE NEARING $ 5000.00! AND FUZZY IS LEANING HARD OVER THERE…carol our accountant is keeping track of the $$$ raised we have nancy tied to a chair….
gonna shave here bald headed (like the resistance did in france to nazi colaborators) when we hit $ 10,000.. also giving Dr dead a special high colonic when we reach $7,500.0!
I know I am evil but it is for a good cause retiring hillary’s debt! was it Milton who said “I have done a terrible thing and feel spotless as a lamb”
fuzzybeargville
on July 10th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
oops this is all happening at the confluence-sorry
fuzzybeargville -donna’s about to get dunked again
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
any one have any idea how close we are to paying off hillary debt?
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
looks like some of obama suppoters are turning on him/
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
scince obamas been flop floping at almost light speed.
iv got a gut feeling that his fundrasing will take such a big hit.
that public funding will look good to him .
anybody eles got that same feeling
puma power
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
scince obamas been flop floping at almost light speed.
iv got a gut feeling that his fundrasing will take such a big hit.
that public funding will look good to him .
anybody eles got that same feeling
puma power
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
We had wiped out all but $ 5 million at the end of the 4th of July..according to some sources the donations are comming in so fast in the last few days the collection system is getting clogged - it may take a while to get a good total….
also every time we meet a dnc mile stone they push back the date hillary has to pay it off by 10 pm this evening the dnc will say she had till last tuesday (!@&#@()$_)@+!*&%^$^@% cheaters!
fuzzybeargville
on July 10th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
is it true they can take her off the ballot if she dose not meet that deadline
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
no it is not true but they like to make and break the rules as they see fit! I see a lawsuit in this donna brazile has been given an hou lunch break at the dunk the donna booth and guess who took her place …”the one” has showed up a the conflu fundraiser and Obambi is now in the booth a $ 50.00 contribution get you a chance to dunk Obambi in his own bush-cheney-obama energy bill boiling oil! come join ith fun obama leaves at 945 pm tonight we are at $ 5112.20 at the confluence
fuzzybeargville
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
thanks for the info michael,
but with the DNC acting like this moveing up the deadline. it tells me that there are really starting to get realy worried abought the just say no deal movement & puma movements .
go hillary
on July 10th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Boogie: This is a good day. Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC, O’s cheerleader admits O is not raising the millions he was; fuzzybear commented that “the donations are comming in so fast in the last few days the collection system is getting clogged” Those thugs are sweating bullets for sure, and they can put on a brave face to the cameras, but they are worried, and we are not fooled. They are in deep, deep trouble and they know it. They just can’t dig themselves out of this. Pay backs a b%%tch….
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
yes pay-back is a royal biaaaaaaatch my dear fc2. thanks to you all, but let’s not think for a moment that said “thugs” don’t have big fat bazookas up their pinstriped sleeves… so keep on fund-raising and knocking down that convention door. sista has a brand new cast. it’s about as attractive as the first cinder block was, but much lighter— so I’m a bit more ambulatory. I certainly could give cream puff Howie a run for his money… and he’d better be running… because word is he’s running pretty low, on cash that it is!
Have a good night heels and don’t forget to pick up hill’s newly designed t.
link:
https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/tsland.html?sc=1983&utm_source=1983&utm_medium=e
— scl
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Sista: yes, i received the e-mail with the t-shirt today. That was the one I voted for. I have sent the link to everyone on my e-mail list. Love that shirt!! Glad to hear your leg is coming along.
xxoo
Sweet dreams!!
on July 10th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
at 10 pm eastern daylight time the Confluence just surpassed the $ 6000.00 dollar mark rasining i les than 1/2 the time 2 1/2 times the cash on 4th of july weekend! we are going to do this!
I wish he would end the month with more money than obama….
fuzzybear has long day tommorrow of fundraising hates has to go to bed as the west coast is comming on line hope its $ 10,000 by morning-
sista looks like at least a million voices are answering with more than a $ 5.00 contribution…the number of $ 20.08 and $ 50.00 dollar contribitions is amazing there are even $ 100.00 donations.
everyone is willing to walk a mile for hillary tonight and tommorrow its a web based virtual telethon! sista thanks for the heads up a few days ago we got everyone motivated and hillary knows she is loved and adored…
Hillary we we follow you to the white house but not to the ballot box for obama! Madame President!
fuzzybeargville
on July 11th, 2008 at 12:12 am
yes that was the shirt that i voted for to. i was at the victory party in san antonio texas when she gave that speach. now that was a high. we proved everyone wrong that night. ahh good times.
go hillary
on July 11th, 2008 at 2:06 am
hh gals, why do you let tbone continue his thang here? I and probably everyone else have heard the 3 things he has to say. I endured the campaign and the bot;s trash talk and the MSM’s trash talk and this blog is like a refuge for me.
Please don’t feed this guy/gal anything. Look, they’ve attracted others of their kind. Next thing you know they’ll be telling their friends that this is a new cruising spot.
on July 11th, 2008 at 7:41 am
woodhull, i couldn’t agree more. tbone is very disrespectful. he is guilty of using insulting language and ‘chattering’, a practice defined by the wonderful people at talk left as writing the same thing over and over again. these may be open threads, but that’s no excuse for spewing the same tripe repeatedly. that type of behavior would get someone banned from posting at other blogs.
my practice is to ignore him, and i hope that others will do the same. he is not capable of conducting an intelligent debate with us, and engaging him only encourages him.
on July 11th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Thanks, piper. There’s no point in engaging this behavior because their intent is simply to bleed off energy like an unruly child. This is their “sport.”
on July 11th, 2008 at 8:13 am
no problem. people like that aren’t here to promote their candidate or ‘party unity’. they are only here to antagonize us.
it’s a slippery slope because we don’t want to squash honest debate. people with dissenting points of view are welcome here, but we all need to treat each other with respect. (that includes those who we agree with.)
perhaps we need to have formal guidelines on what is acceptable and unacceptable language for posting…..
on July 11th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Good morning Woohull and others. Why do we continue to allow little annoying trolls to hang out here? It’s simple; whilst there is still a Constitution in this country, at hireheels, we’re going to honor it— even it persons like those who shall not be named dishonor themselves by posting ridiculous claptrap.
on July 11th, 2008 at 8:47 am
And a note to my fave trolls, as a person who believes in free speech and in our country, I have not blocked you from this blog. However… if you don’t offer something constructive to the debate you will be removed and banned from this site, nonnegotiable. i hope I have made myself abundantly clear. thanks to all. carry on.
scl
on July 11th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I see we’re still getting nazi-baiting comments from varvel.
who’s the thug, now, fuzzy?
on July 11th, 2008 at 10:48 am
gosh..you folks must have missed me. thats so nice…not much to talk about when i’m gone huh?
so piper…how exactly does saying obama doesn’t have any balls further the discourse here? maybe it doesn’t take balls to call for folks to take personal responsibility and raise their kids right but I’m sure glad he is talking about it.
you folks on here like to think you have been somehow wronged and this thing has been stolen from you which is a bunch of crap. you think obama controls the media just like he can force every sd to sell their conscience for money? hrc managed to raise over 200 mill so it wasn’t like she wasn’t able to compete if that was the case.
i keep repeating myself because you keep contradicting and turning your back on the very person you claim to support. win or lose I would have stuck with the democratic nominee just like you held your nose when you voted for kerry. hrc didn’t hold back any punches herself when she was running for all the poor white people of the country…but i guess that doesn’t matter on this site either…
peace
on July 11th, 2008 at 10:49 am
i can do this all day…i got nothing bettter to do.
on July 11th, 2008 at 10:57 am
whos varvel.?
go hillary
on July 11th, 2008 at 10:57 am
whos varvel.?
go hillary
on July 11th, 2008 at 11:14 am
“whos varvel.?”
michael p. varvel, aka fuzzybeargville, who continues to use nazi as a comparison when describing obama supporters, here on hireheels comments, like he did on #27 and #112 in this post, boogieman.
go america
on July 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
You have to love it when the Clintonistas attack anyone who has the audacity to criticize the Clintons. Of course, it proves the complete lack of substance in anything connected to the Clintons.
As for tradition, so WHAT?? Hillary ran up the debt; she should pay it! When, in God’s name, will leftists begin to take any kind of responsibility for the consequences of their decisions/actions?
Obviously, you’re too propagandized by the Clintons to understand anything other than what Hillary says.
Actually, Obama DID win, and that’s the part that completely drives Clintonistas insane.
Of course, you are free to vote for McCain, and I’ll love the moment he appoints a justice to the US Supreme Court who will help overturn Roe v. Wade. And, please don’t tell me the Democrats in Congress will vote against a nominee because, thus far, the Democratic Congress has exhibited no spine or political courage, and I seriously doubt they’ll exhibit any in the future.
Meanwhile, their only plan is to raise taxes, maintain the death tax that will punish my children, and do everything in their power to make life worse for families.
Following the party primaries, every presidential candidate, present and past, has moved to the center because that’s where the majority of voters are found.
“again, just an irrelevant question that if you were older and more experienced (or just wiser) you wouldn’t even bother to waste type one.”
It’s absolutely relevant since Hillary, and her supporters, continually tell us she’s a strong, indepdendent woman but, of course, not strong and independent enough to rid herself of a lying, serial adulterer. If you don’t like the relevance of my comment then you should tell Hillary to STOP proclaiming herself a strong, independent woman until such time as she rids herself of her serial adulterer husband.
Regarding Obama, he is, in my opinion, the typical leftist Democrat whose only plan is to increase the size of the government, raise taxes, maintain onerous taxes like the death tax, help corrupt union leaders run roughshod over American workers and make unreasonable demands on American auto manufacturers. In the process, they destroy the auto industry here in Michigan.
Furthermoe, they pamper the black racebaiters who destroy American cities like Detroit; it’s no wonder whites moved out of Detroit.
By all means, take the whining to Denver and create another 1968-type convention and, despite his age and lack of sound policies, McCain will walk into the White House. In my opinion, Clintonistas should grow up and begin acting like adults rather than spoiled children.
on July 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
SCL - “if you don’t offer something constructive to the debate you will be removed and banned from this site, nonnegotiable. i hope I have made myself abundantly clear. thanks to all. carry on.”
Do you understand the contradiction in your post? What do Clintonistas want? Lockstep loyalty to Hillary Clinton. Your post is an example of why so many people loath the Clintons and their supporters.
Considering the behavior of Clintonistas, I can understand why Hillary proposed spending my tax dollars to fund a memorial to the drug and sex festival called Woodstock.
The arrogance of Clintonistas is astounding. By all means, create another 1968-type convention. Hang on to those inauguration tickets and prepare to sell them on Ebay; McCain supporters will need them in January.
By all means, ban those who have the courage to criticize the Clintons and you’ll simply prove Clinton supporters, similar to their masters, are extremely intolerant and can’t stand criticism.
Clintonistas resemble spoiled, bratty children stomping their feet when they don’t get their way rather than rational adults.
Want something of substance?
Explain why Hillary voted for a war she now claims to oppose.
Explain why Hillary Clinton criticizes NAFTA but, for years, touted it as a success.
Explain why Hillary Clinton opposes gun rights for Americans who purchase guns to protect themselves against criminals.
Explain why Hillary Clinton’s husband condemned the publication of cartoons, in European newspapers, depicting Muhammad stating the publishers should be prosecuted. Don’t the Clintons support freedom of speech? Would her husband’s reaction have been the same had the cartoonist depicted Jesus? Personally, I doubt it. What is Hillary Clinton’s position on this issue? Is Hillary Clinton as anti-freedom of speech as her husband?
Explain why Hillary Clinton believes my children should be punished, by a death tax, because I, and my husband, save and invest to create an estate for their future.
Hillary criticizes President Bush but explain why Hillary voted FOR the Patriot Act in 2001 and, again, in 2006.
Finally, from another topic in the blog, explain WHAT the Clintons have done for blacks.
on July 11th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
An excellent question.
Is this the reason Clintonistas, and their allies, attack Obama?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ridley/liberal-fear-of-a-black-p_b_112211.html
“Moreover, what scares the Old Schoolers is that Obama’s potential election removes from them the victim stick with which they flog their diminishing relevance. Obama as president would be empirical evidence that, while there are and probably always will be racists in America, America is no longer a racist nation. There are a lot of liberals who’ve made good bank stretching out the ‘you done me wrong, now gimme something’ politics of the sixties well into the new millennium.
‘Obama wants change.
‘And change for the Old Schoolers ain’t a good thing.’”
on July 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Senator Clinton did not get the money for Woodstock; she requested it.
In addition to giving $20,000 of his own money to Jeremiah Wright, as a state senator Obama directed $225,000 of the Illinois taxpayers’ money for programs run by Father Pfleger. In the U.S. Senate, Obama earmarked $100,000 in federal tax money for Father Pfleger’s work. Giving someone more than 300 grand is not just some tenuous, coincidental association.
on July 11th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Well we know where Obama’s faith based initiatives will go now, don’t we???
on July 11th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
hana,
explain why you hide your vitriol in old threads that no one is participating in anymore.
explain why you’re so obsessed with the clintons’ marriage.
explain why you write really long comments yet say nothing of substance.
on July 11th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
hana–one more thing: you call us clintonistas like its a bad thing.
on July 14th, 2008 at 8:55 am
explain why you hide your vitriol in old threads that no one is participating in anymore.
I’ve posted in several threats and, yet, not a single response to any question related to the Clintons. Of course, it’s understandable why you and other Clintonistas don’t answer questions especially the one related to what the Clintons have done for blacks.
explain why you’re so obsessed with the clintons’ marriage.
Hillary claims to be a strong woman yet remains married to a serial adulterer. She can’t have it both ways; either a strong enough woman to make it on her own or she isn’t. Which is it?
explain why you write really long comments yet say nothing of substance.
Explain why you, nor any other Clintonista answers any questions related to the Clintons. All you have here is a Clintonista lovefest with no serious examination of the sleaziness of the Clintons.
you call us clintonistas like its a bad thing.
Probably not any worse than being a communist and, considering Hillary’s socialist beliefs, pretty much the same.
Instead of attacking, why don’t you answer the questions I posed related to the Clintons. Of course, I seriously doubt you will because doing so would require some critical thinking, something Clintonistas apparently don’t do very often.
on July 14th, 2008 at 9:05 am
I’ll let you off the hook and aks you to answer only ONE question. Why do the Clintons believe that my children should be punished, with a death tax, when they inherit an estate created by their parents through hard work, wise investment choices and sacrifice. Isn’t it enough that my husband and I pay several hundred thousand dollars in taxes? Not only do the Clintons and other leftist want to punish us, they also want to punish our children with oppressive taxes.
Perhaps you could answer this one question, and I’ll forget your unwillingess, or is it inability, to answer the other questions related to policies advocated by the Clintons.
on July 14th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Hana, you keep claiming none of answered your question about “why does she stay with a serial adulterer?”
You’re quite wrong - I did, and you choose to ignore it, because you can then whine that no one answered your “tough” question.
Up at comment number 87, I quoted you:
“We’re told, repeatedly, by the Clintonistas that Hillary is a strong woman, yet they can’t explain why Hillary exhibits all the traits of a weak, submissive woman by remaining in a marriage with her serial adulterer husband. They can’t have it both ways.”
and then responded:
They don’t need to. (have it both ways)
She could have dumped him at any time, but chose not to.
Why?
Power.
As for the serial adultery thing, who cares? what do you do in the privacy of your bedroom, hana?
is it any of my business? No.
What if Hillary knew about it all along, and just didn’t care - in fact, what if she agreed to it?
That would put a whole new face on the situation, wouldn’t it, if his non-monogamy were agreed to by him and his wife?
Why is it the business of the american people what anyone does in his or her bedroom, and with whom?
If all parties are consenting adults, it is not the business of the american people.
on July 14th, 2008 at 10:31 am
americansoldier - thank you; however, Hillary can’t claim to be a strong, independent woman and continue living with a serial adulterer. You did, however, hit on the real reason — it’s her only path to power.
As for the privacy of the bedroom, I agree; however, wouldn’t you agree that our elected officials should use some discretion and common sense? Shouldn’t there be a higher standard for those who supposedly want to serve the American people in Congress or in the White House? I should tell you I’m as offended by those on the right who preach ‘family values’ while engaging in sleazy behavior as I am with the Clintons.
What I loath about the Clintons, and their like-minded allies, is their commitment to extremely punitive taxes. Essentially, their goal is to punish success as well as punishing my children when they inherit an estate. The Clintons appear to believe the only solution to problems is bigger government. If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it’s “free.” Europeans pay extremely high taxes to support a socialistic welfare system; however, more and more European governments are coming to the conclusion it’s no longer possible for fund these programs. In part, it’s due to a graying population, low birth rates and the fact that some European countries, Germany for example, are losing younger, highly skilled workers to other countries.
To be fair, I’m disgusted with the Republicans for failing to reduce government spending but applaud Congress and President Bush for giving all Americans a tax break.
To add an additional level of fairness, Senator Obama isn’t any better than Hillary Clinton on these issues. It’s always bigger government and higher taxes.
My complaint regarding Clintonistas and Hillary’s debt is a complete lack of responsibility on Hillary Clinton’s part for running up the debt and then whining about it. Again, where’s that allegedly strong, independent woman?
on July 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
“Hillary can’t claim to be a strong, independent woman and continue living with a serial adulterer.”
Sure she can!
There are many people in the usa who have unconventional relationships - some that don’t include monogamy.
Are you saying that all of the women who are in such relationships are weak?
I would also ask, like I have ever since monicagate - since when does an investigation into a savings and loan fraud situation turn into a puritan witch-hunt for sexual escapades?
None of the people complaining about the clinton adultery situation ever have an answer for that.
on July 18th, 2008 at 2:02 am
To Hana - Hear plan is not free healthcare. Her plan creates a low-cost optional insurance plan that is run by the govt. People are free to choose it or keep what they have. It pays for itself because the members of the new plan will still have to pay premiums.
The mandate is the most important part of the plan. It is essential for our healthcare facilities that everyone, or at least a lot more people) have insurance. Just having more healthy people in all the healthcare plans will lower the costs.