HireHeels & PUMAs Say, NO DEAL to Stupid Pet Tricks!
The other night Governor Ed Rendell’s handwrote the credo to the counter movement HOUND (Hillary-Obama-United-Not-Divided) on a legal pad and handed it off to his press secretary (Chuck) for typing and distribution. Lucky Ed… to have perks like limos, press secretaries, probably a PJ— that’s private jet— not pajamas and a mansion. I have no such perks, I’m just a hard-working chic trying to make a buck to keep a roof over my head at my day job, whilst I volunteer my time all night long trying to set this country straight!
While we thank the Governor for recognizing us as a fluid, viral, viable and ever growing movement— we hireheels chics and all PUMA members of the Just Say No Deal Coalition want to respectfully point out that Governor Rendell and his crew, when asking us to fall in line and back Senator Obama are really missing the point.
The philosophy on which the Just Say No Deal Coalition was founded is plainly stated as this:
We, as millions of disaffected voters or PUMAs have banded together to form a Coalition of the unwilling. We fervently believe in Country Before Party. If political parties won’t uphold core democratic principles, who will? If the voters don’t hold the parties accountable, who will?
The answer, “We (PUMAs) will at all costs!”
Governor Rendell does get kudos for recognizing the following:
“We agree with many of your grievances. For example, we, too, believe that the Democratic Party’s nominating process is unfair and undemocratic. We must change the policy where some votes are more important than others and some areas receive more delegates than their number of voters would justify – it violates the spirit of “one person, one vote.” We must eliminate caucuses that are inherently undemocratic and disenfranchise seniors (no absentee voting for those who can’t go to the polls), shift workers and our military. Forcing people to declare their preference in public also violates another cherished principle that undermines our democracy.”
Ed, we PUMAs appreciate the heartfelt recognition of Just Say No Deal, but dude— you are way too late to ask us out on a date this year— even if you do offer to pick us up in your shiny PJ and whisk us off to some exotic locale. The damage has already been done. We will not fall in line. We will not support your bad boy Democratic Party nominee that was selected with a flawed voting process. Reform the process, then try to win our hearts back in 2012.
Finally Governor Rendell be advised— we are savvier and sassier than you think, so don’t pull an “Ass-elrod” and try and diss us with condescending quips like this:
“So, we are asking all PUMA members to curb your disappointment, mute your anger and frustration and join HOUND to help change America. While the PUMA may be more swift and athletic, the HOUND is smarter and more perceptive.”
Again Governor Rendell and crew— you have missed the point— perhaps a little Scooby Snack will beef up your electrolytes get your brains back on track. Insulting or undermining us by saying that we have less perception or smarts than you do is counterproductive. We are a diverse group of voters representing ALL ages. We come from all ethnic, socio-economic, religious, political and academic backgrounds; we unite to say (once again), “COUNTRY before PARTY!”
We will not support Senator Obama now or on November 4, 2008. Senator Clinton’s vote is her own; our votes are our own and they will not be cast for Senator Obama. Just Say No Deal’s voices are over 2 million strong and growing. Perhaps our bud over at NoQuarterUSA penned it best with this little ditty: “H.O.U.N.D. = Heck, Obama’s Unqualified, No Deal!”
So Sista says, “Why don’t you old-timer HOUND dogs just roll over, play dead and GET OVER IT; we’re here to stay!”
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
silly ed. doesn’t he know that if you try to put a PUMA on a leash get it to heel that you’ll likely end up getting bit?
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
There is a Myth in the Media called: “Hillary Supporters”? But they are NOT!
There are NO Significant “Real” Hillary “Supporters” worth mentioning anymore. A Real “Supporter” gives money.
How can Hillary Claim so much “Support” from “Supporters”, Yet, she is $20 Million Dollars in Debt!
This Myth of the Great Mass of Hillary “Supporters” is just another Clinton Propaganda Machine idea to Milk Obama of his True Supporters: The Average American that puts their money where their mouth is and stands up and is counted for Obama.
The Votes for Hillary were Not For Her, but Against a Black Man running for President. If they were truly voting “For” her, why didn’t they “Support” her and not leave Hillary Begging “Obama Supporters” to bail her out?
If you believe the Myth of “Hillary Supporters”, then that means she only got the Vote of the “Poor, Ignorant, Redneck Trash” too Cheap to plug a Nickel into her campaign. With Friends and Supporters like that, Obama should tell her and her Poor Trash Crowd to suck it up and keep their Complaints and $20 Million Debt to themselves!
I am looking for the Polling that shows Giving Patterns among so-called “Hillary Supporters” and why they really voted against Obama and Not For Hillary and why they didn’t give more money to her?
Racist, Anti-Obama, Noise Makers, Do Not Make Informed, Giving Hillary Supporters.
Money Talks, BS Walks (With or without Heels.)
Stop Talking Trash and Give Money like Obama’s Real “Supporters” Do!
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Hitler’s slogan: “Alles muss anders sein!” (”Everything must be different!”
Sound familiar — CHANGE??
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I’m reading that “r” word again. guy in dc— i’m fine with you making comments on the blog that I own— I love our democracy, so I’ll certainly entertain sane arguments. They’re are no racists here except perhaps the nasty, vile piggish Obama-supporting punks who have cowardly spewed filth in writing and called us to harass and threaten us at home. if that’s the kind of person with whom you would like to associate— go elsewhere please. kind regards for a healthy debate.
—SCL
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
sista, didn’t you hear? calling us racists is the latest thing! it’s sooooo much easier than thinking.
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
And hireheels guys and gals if you haven’t maxed out and can afford a few bucks… let’s respond to dc guy’s challenge. here is the official hireheels fund-raising link, it goes right to hillary’s campaign not to the other guy’s:
https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=ac0&rc=I39A
or if you feel more comfortable snail mail a check directly to her campaign office:
Hillary Clinton for President
PO Box 1781
Merrifield, VA 22116-9965
Thanks to all my hireheels peeps who have helped out already with cash donations and by volunteering your time!!
— SCL
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
guy in dc,
According to monthly reports filed with the Federal Election Commission on June 20, Barack Obama’s primary fundraising totals decreased in May for the third straight month. http://www.cfinst.org/pr/prRelease.aspx?ReleaseID=195
well, i guess that’s why Obama’s contributions were way down in May. the more people learn about Obama, the less they like him. and why so many of us Clinton supporters keep getting mail, phone calls, and email from Obama begging us for money (that we are not going to give him). i’ve told the Obama campaign at least 30 times now that i’m not going to vote for him or give him a dime but they keep asking me for money.
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Yes, we keep getting letters, emails, eic. looking for finds for Obama, the DNC, the whole convention thing,. Where, oh, where has this fundraising juggernaut gone???????????
on June 29th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
guy in dc try to put a little heart into your posts they are so much like the spam of regurgitated big “o” talking points that change by the hour-living in the rarified air of the obama for america campaign- must be like living in geo.orwell’s 1984.
We are against FICA oops we are for Fisa we havel always been for fisa….
we are for repealing dadt ooops we are against repealing dadt we have always be against dadt
we are for womens free choice oops no we are against it we were always against it….the list goes on like a bill of lading for things thrown under the bus…
no wonder that so many big “o” supporters suffer from multiple personality disorder-
fuzzybeargville
on June 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
OK, lurker here who wants to speak up.
i am so sick of these “guys” who don’t know what or who they are talking about.
a true supporter of obama would not come on these boards to insult clinton supporters, as it does not do one bit of good for his candidate, in fact, it works against him.
remember “guy” (what an appropriate moniker), what you say is a reflection of your candidate. hope your candidate’s skills in diplomacy are better than yours.
and the only one milking obama supporters is obama himself with his pass on public campaign financing. he could have had 84.5 million, but, no, he wants money directly out of small and big pockets instead. so go break your piggy bank, guy.
if we don’t exist, please ignore us.
on June 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Please everyone go to the website:TheCityEdition.com and click politics and culture. Very interesting reading material. It is what I have been hearing about since last year.
on June 29th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Even after ’suspending’ her campaign, Hillary continues to receive contributions. Many PUMAs are working tirelessly to retire Hillary’s campaign debt.
Meanwhile, Barack Obama’s fundraising totals continue to decrease.
In regards to the $$, the true winner is the one who continues to raise money while not even ‘officially’ in the race anymore.
on June 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE
This is Hound Dog sung by a woman who wrote and was the original singer please listen you will laugh your ass off if you think you are singing it to Obama. This version is about a woman telling a man where to stick it
on June 29th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
wow, things must be really boring at DK/HuffPo if the trolls come over here to spout trash talk to us nobodies.
If we aren’t listening to the media, the DNC, the party elites, and Obama, why on earth would we listen to badly-written insults?
on June 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
love this site. GO PUMA!!! GO HHEELS!
on June 29th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“a true supporter of obama would not come on these boards to insult clinton supporters, as it does not do one bit of good for his candidate, in fact, it works against him.”
Agree….+1
The onslaught from the OBOTS are starting to magnify here as well.
lol…I think the thought of trolling into any pro-obama site is repulsive to the majority of the people here, if they feel the way I do. Perhaps that’s our defining difference in character and motive. We don’t need them and they need us…maybe? If the shoes were reverse, I’m sure we would approach them with the utmost respect that they desserved and more with civility. Although, that would be to much to ask from those thugs!
on June 29th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Please change the Hound Dog song to this one.
This is woman who wrote it and sang it first
Listent to the words it great
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE
on June 29th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Hmmm…suddenly Ed Rendell has to recognize the power of PUMAs. I thought the official line was that we had nowhere to go and would all flock (like sheep) to Fauxbama. Now Ed comes out with a prod to tell us it’s really time for us to get with the program. We’re starting to worry them.
on June 29th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
where do they get this “all anti-Messiah people are either bitter old women or a bunch of racists”? Other than that’s the myth THEY created!
I look around and see women AND men, old young white and black, like me, and every other group who care enough about this country to not see it fall further down the toilet by putting it into the Messiah’s hands and those of the Un-Democratic Party.
So I along with those people will continue to fight for what’s right. And we will WIN, ’cause we can’t afford to lose!
on June 29th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
good on all of you who are on troll patrol we are strong we are invicible we are woman-que helen reddy
fuzzybeargville not a woman but hey no one is perfect
on June 29th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
your an awesome site …. thank you for what you do …
on June 29th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Trolls are getting testy. We must have hit them someplace sensitive!
on June 29th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
on June 29th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
It’s no longer just Obama or Sen. Clinton that PUMA stand on the wall but, it’s due to the knowledge that we must protect these rights and that is why we are united to make sure that it’s not defile by any reason.
on June 29th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
beautifully put, rey….bravo — princess is proud
on June 29th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Affirmative Action and Racism: I haven’t been able to bring this up because I did not know the person who made the admission at the RBC meeting, but today I was reading a post on PUMA regarding the RBC and the committee member was named in her comment. The committee member is Senator Carl Levine.
At the RBC meeting, Senator Levine let it slip that state voting order was selected according to the states with heavy populations of Black Americans. The reason he gave was to allow Black Americans the opportunity to vote first and affect the contest outcome. MI and FL pushed back their primaries and went ahead of NV and NM. One can conclude that by doing this, MI and FL unknowingly disrupted the order and infuriated the party. If you recall, the entire primary season the wins by Clinton in MI and FL were ignored and discounted. By doing so it continued to perpetuate the myth that Obama was in the lead and Clinton was losing. To further complicate their grand design, Clinton went on to win FL, MI, NV, and NM. They must have been expecting a huge win in NM. It took them days and days to count those votes; they did not want to concede that state to Clinton.
What this all suggests is that the Black leaders in the party apparently thought that scheduling the states in this particular order was needed to elect a Black President. At the meeting while Clinton’s delegates were being stolen from Clinton’s win in MI and given to O, Mr. Ikes called that action an example of Affirmative Action.
As a consequence, we have what we have. A Black President with the least credentials of any candidate in either my lifetime, my parents lifetime, or grandparents lifetimes. This country has never nominated a one year junior senator, who has spent more time campaigning than working. By specifically selecting one race over all the races represented in America, this alone is an act of prejudice. Why? Why not select a Mexican American, an Asian American, a Chinese American, a Native American? Native Americans were here before any of us, were they not? By rights, they should be pre-selected first. Think about their history…..genocide!!!
To “visitors’ on this site, who continue to call us racist, think again. Look at yourselves and your own motivations. I say to you directly…your actions and continual labeling of us as racist, represent the old saying, “this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.. no pun intended.
on June 29th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
I think the biggest worry about HOUND is that the membership will be very publicly in the million range very soon since all of Obama’s minions will promptly join and inflate the numbers artificially. I suspect some will join under several names, so that it will make the media news and somehow serve to deflate PUMA’s numbers. We need to be ready to counter that. And we need to be ready for competing news coverage as well.
on June 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
JDONA - dude….we are on top of it….this has already been blasted to the media:
http://www.enflyer.com/app/file_root/12392/EnFlyers/50702.html
pumas are speedy and sexy!!!!!!!!!!!!
on June 29th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Talk is cheap! Are there 2 million of us? Then go to the site and contribute $10. We are not that poor. We’re talking a couple of beers, coffee. Do it now! If you supported Hillary’s candidacy, why can’t we do this? Free Hillary!
https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=ac0&rc=I39A
on June 29th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Attention, HOUND. This isn’t about “disappointed Hillary supporters with hurt feelings.” Nor, for me, is it about the sloppy unfair process or the biased media — I don’t like those, but that’s politics.
For me, this is about being asked to support an inexperienced, unqualified candidate. While Hillary’s my first choice, there were other Dem. candidates I would have supported if they’d won in this process — other Dems. that have experience and accomplishments. Obama isn’t one of them — and that’s the “secret” that’s going to be coming out in the next few weeks - hopefully in time for the delegates to recognize that and correct the situation at the convention by picking a qualified nominee!!
on June 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
geraldinehenrietta:
we are 2 million in coalition, however collaboration is a bit slow and need polishing in the trust department.
on June 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Jun 10, 2008 … Carly Fiorina speaks about why she supports John McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qq3hrw5fk - 76k - Similar pages
the Nobama campaign could learn something from John Mccain/do not waste are votes in the fall if Hillary isn’y the nominee! Listen to Carly speaking to women for fair politics.
on June 29th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Jun 10, 2008 … Carly Fiorina speaks about why she supports John McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8qq3hrw5fk - 76k - Similar pages
Carly speaks out to women for fair politics!
on June 29th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
rey:
we are working the on the trust issue and our hearts our pure. thanks for the Passage from the declaration of independence. the first of our sacred documents followed by he constitution and the bill of rights these alone define us as a race set apart a race not determined by the color of skin nor the sex of the individual.
We are not defined be any immutable class but as a race of thought and connected by core principles of liberty life happiness….because of this we have spent the last century rising above skin color gender and class truely bring to fruition the great experiment that is America.
We fight injustice not because of what those would have devide us, but for those things that unite us and make us strong.
fuzzybeargville
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Sorry Ed,
Can’t join your Hound group . Seems that Obama nation has thrown you a BONE. PUMA’s are much smarter than taking bones thrown at them by Party Big Wigs. I appreciate your work for Hillary and your thoughts about how the primaries need changing. But you see Ed, speaking for myself, if I support your candidate, I would support the injustice done to 18 million voters who voted for Hillary. I just can’t do that. It means that I support what Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, and all of the backroom Bigs have done by selecting their candidate instead of allowing the American people to do so. Last, if the DNC gets away with this, it would mean supporting candidates in the future that can be selected by the DNC and not elected.by the American People. Thats what troubles me the most. So, if the Democrats lose this election, don’t blame me or the many who think like me. However, after this disaster is over in November and I know you will get over it, I invite you to join PUMA and Just Say No Deal in reforming the Democratic Party and the priciples it’s supposed to stand for.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:12 am
i too am usually a lurker on the site, but i wanted to comment on flowerchild2’s comment (#26). i am so pleased that sen. carl levine made an ‘oops!’ comment so that people can see the real calibre of persons who have made all these horrendous decisions for the democratic party in this, and past elections.
your comments are so on the mark; and i personally am getting pretty fried at those foul smelling bots and uppity leaders calling us racist and telling us what to do!
i think they have some real surprises in store come november.
What i wonder most about though is–why are they so intent on having a black president? as you mentioned in your comment, a native american would be much more reasonable…
go pumas–go hireheels!!
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 am
ditto dave–times 1000!
i salute you!
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:53 am
I personally don’t think we have seen the last of Hill as our nominee and Ed backing her. If she had released her delegates, then it would be another story. Ed can go take his hound for a long walk. I’m going to be stalking supers. grrrr
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am
I say no deal and I mean it.
What matters is that I own my vote. Who I vote for and why is my own damn business. I don’t need Ed Rendell and some stupid troll on a blog to tell me who I can vote for. My reasons are my own. And none of anyone else’s business. And I am PUMA so I am not about to cringe from some little troll who screams “racist” again and again like a parrot that knows only one word.
Whatever my reason Obamatroll, it will still be a vote against the corrupt Obamacratic Party selectee. Count on it.
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:35 am
jonesstring: thanks for commenting. MI and FL are the key, don’t you think? It was part of the huge plot and proves the pre-selected process of this candidate and the prejudice behind it. If they are going to pick someone, which of course they should never do, but they should have at least picked someone with the ability, background, and track record that we could vote for and support. Could they find a less qualified candidate? Heck Dennis Kuccinich would be better than O. Kuccinich is working pretty hard and speaking up. He’s a better pick for a new comer than o is. I hope you come back and comment often.
Peace & welcome.
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am
“Because, really Hillary didn’t need his help much because she was from Pennsylvania…or was it Arkansas or Florida or Michigan or New York? Oh right, it must have been whenever it suited her politically, that was where she was from.”
Is Obama from Kenya, Hawaii, Indonesia, Illinois…..sup yo! Truly, you are a moron.
on June 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am
What’s the matter with you people?! I just don’t get it. You can’t see the forest for the trees here! You’d rather shoot yourself in the pump-wearing foot than support the candidate HILLARY CLINTON HERSELF SUPPORTS?! Why do you think she’s supporting Obama? I mean if you think she’s doing it just for show, what kind of person would allow herself to yield to the majority just for show instead of expressing her true feelings? SHE IS EXPRESSING HER TRUE FEELINGS WHEN SHE TELLS YOU WE MUST ALL SUPPORT THE CANDIDATE WHO WON THE PRIMARIES! You have got to stop and think! Get a hold of yourselves! You’re cutting off your nose despite your face. I know their are a lot of emotions involved here and it’s good to be passionate about a candidate. I love Hillary and would’ve supported her and voted for her if it wasn’t for little differences that I appreciate about Obama just a little more. But if you have left-leaning ideals or agree with progressive minded folks, why would you throw away your core values and vote for the enemy candidate with the enemy party just because the candidate you wanted to win so badly didn’t come out on top? Or why would you hurt the candidate who AGREES WITH YOU AND HILLARY ON ALMOST EVERY ISSUE and give the man who DISAGREES WITH YOU ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING shot at the Presidency?! Stop being rediculous! Stop throwing a childish tantrum because you didn’t get what you want and think about what’s at stake here! REMEMBER WHERE OBAMA STANDS ON YOUR ISSUES AND WHERE MCCAIN STANDS ON THEM! If you vote for McCain, or don’t vote for Obama, you ARE not being true to your OWN VALUES!
on June 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am
rick, obama has no core values of his own. He keeps changing his stance. He is a Daley Machine politician. When he first announced his candidacy based on the lie that he was different I decided then and there that I would never vote for him and my opinion has not changed. stop trying to guilt me into voting for the party’s choice.
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Note that Senator Clinton was very specific when she voted to allow President Bush to invike the war power act and made comments on the senate floor. Many of Senator Obama’s supporters also voted the same way. So, for instance, are you working to unseat Senator Kerry in MA? He has a Democratic opponent in the state’s upcoming primary.
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
“yo rey,
I notice you didn’t disagree with being a rendell flip-flopper.
Remind me not to turn my back on you…”
What’s more to elaborate on this matter than what has been said, we are not going to fall in line.
Senator Clinton, Ed Rendell and many others had made their choice base on their affilation. However, that doesn’t dictate how we the voters should just follow suit base on the party interest, that would make us an OBOTS (minions) like you guys. Our votes will count towards the best interest of the United State of America, not on the party interest.
Rick:
You sound like an angry “inch” with your childish tantrum.
You speak of the way of the old as if you are ungrateful of this country and the hands that provided you the luxury to choose. Perhaps, it’s due to our nonchalant attitude that we need to change…..ya…maybe?
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
T-Bone:
“I guess your core values must be in line with Hillary who voted to kill innocent iraqis? ”
That vote was base on the report that was presented to congress. She was not alone in that decision and the fault can be pointed to the current administration for deceiving the house and the senate. So stop sand bagging the bs.
As for Iraq, we don’t kill innocent iraqi’s, War kills innocent as always been in the past and present. Speaking of “present”, how many issues that Obama voted present? yaaaa…thought so.
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
“yo rey,
you think you are more ticked off than HRC about losing? I doubt it…
You’re a flip-flopper. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
You’re like the child who lost the game and says I’m taking my ball and leaving…no one likes people like you.
Back stabber!”
I hate to see a grown man cry…LMAO! get from here.
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
If Senator Obama is such a leader, why hasn’t didn’t he start the ball rolling to end the war. He’s been in the senate since January 2005.
on June 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Look at the slums of southside Chicago. Have they improved or worsened during the time he represented his district? Please go do some research and come back with some valid sources for any statistics you find. Tell me how he changed things for the better there.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Let them underestimate us and our power at their own peril. If we are such a small threat then why do tbone and others spend so much of their time here berating us? The point that you are missing here in your zeal to select the first black nominee ( I agree with the post above that if we are so in need of absolving some long ago guilt then why not a native American?) that just because we have dissent regarding this candidate due to his inexperience and his looong list of shady associates this does not make us unpatriotic. In fact quite the opposite. Those of us who think and research before blindly casting our ballots, those of us who question our leaders as they shove an unvetted candidate down our throats, and those of us who vote country over party are indeed patriotic. It is my belief that is unpatriotic to essentially say vote for your party or dont vote at all. It is my vote and it is my choice. I am not at all surprised that Rendell started a group called hounds at least they are finally showing themselves for the dogs that they are. And I love that is stands for Hell, Obamas Unqualified No Deal! What has been called a small group of bitter white women is something much greater and growing every day and includes men and women of every color. It is a spirit revolution where we will vote not because of the color of the persons skin or their race but for the content of their character and yes that is patriotic to fight for. This is the government of, for and by the people… simply stated we decide and you will not beat us into submission. BHO may adopt Hillary’s policies and he and his followers may tell the big heads in the dnc that he can get hillary’s votes but let me be clear in saying Senator, you are no Hillary Clinton and we will not support your nomination.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Obama has done nothing to stop the war other and has exploited it for political gain.
If you are concerned about electing a minority, then see if you can persuade Lt. Col. Allen West of FL to run for president. He evidences the character and courage Obama lacks.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“you’re a doorknob, you can tell me the number of times he voted present but you couldn’t name one thing he accomplished in the six years he was a state legislator, could you…thought so.”
Oh yeah! I sense your frustration….let see…how about a post office and Congo?
I can see that you are ill equip on this matter as most minions do. Do your research and you may just find us in the other side waiting for you.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Come on T-Bone, just jump in here and have a cold one and forget about the koolaid. You know, when you troll here….you are red meat.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Okay, your not frustrated but, you are in denial. lol I bet you think that’s a river in egypt too.
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
There is a Myth in the Media called: “Hillary Supporters”? But they are NOT!
There are NO Significant “Real” Hillary “Supporters” worth mentioning anymore. A Real “Supporter” gives money.
Sir, I am real HRC supporter. The problem is I already gave the max. As for my cultured and educational status, I have a MA degree from the University of Chicago, live in NYC, own my own firm and usually have to check the last box on income levels. So actually, it isn’t a myth. Just fyi. ..
one more thing… my first cause is one person, one vote. my second cause is country before party and my third frankly, is national security - as I had the privilege of being at the WTC on Sept 11 and prefer not to have to go through that again. Besides the aforementioned issues, I believe HRC did her time on the Senate Armed Services committee and I am not sure of the selectee’s qualifications in that he shirked what little responsibility he had in the Senate by not holding his oversight committee meetings. My guess is that he is not MORE informed by virtue of being on the campaign trail. …
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
oops - forgot the quotes for the first two lines….
and one more point, I do in fact now pay a bit of attention to race. I wouldn’t have before but after the way the Obama campaign and the media misconstrued WJC’s fairy tale comments - when he was referring simple to a naive plan to handle Iraq - and turned them into some racial put-down, made me think about it.
The fact that Obama also got 90+% of the black vote but no one mentioned that as racist is also a bit ironic, wouldn’t you say?
on June 30th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Rendell needs to look in his backyard: the pennsylvania state universities are stuffed with primitive, small-minded sexist professors. Recently a 300+lb tenured prof told me how Sharon Stone lifted her shirt for him when she was his student - right!
a university student told me that self-defense is taught to high school girls in areas close to Penn State. Why? The male college students rape the local girls so often…
o pennsyvania’s little secrets…!
don’t alk us to wait for anything Rendell. we want fair play now!!
on June 30th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Wow love the diatribe folks. speak loudly and speak often to save our democracy. thanks to you all, and that goes for obama supporters too— provided you all keep it clean. we do not condone hateful discourse of any kind here. and although i love our democracy and the heated debate that often ensues due to our diverse beliefs— i do pay the bills here, so I can regulate if necessary… obama supporters you will win no one over here or any place else by using divisive tactics— please keep that in mind.
on June 30th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I hope this makes everyone chuckle…remember during the Ohio primary, the news commentator asked an Obama supporter from TX to name O’s accomplishment(s). This man had been singing the Obama mantra…great speeches, moves people, etc…, etc., etc., just one second previous to this question. The man sat there dumb-founded, looking like a deer caught in the headlights. He never opened his mouth from that point on; just kept looking into the camera with a blank, stunned expression. You have to admit how hysterically funny that was. Even yesterday, Governor Palenti from MN, challenged an Obama supporter, (Senator - - didn’t catch his name) to name one time Obama had stood up and challenged his party. The Senator danced, spun, and just kept on talking and never did answer the question, no matter how often Governor Palenti asked him. And they wonder why we don’t want to vote for him?
on June 30th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
hound = help obama’s underwear not discolor? wtf? is this another version of “iron my shirt”??????
(o how I hate typos!)
don’t ask us to wait for anything Rendell. we want fair play now!!
on June 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
re: “I didn’t see anyone throwing a prissy fit was rendell was busy supporting your gal”
t-bone, may I let you in on a little secret? dismissing a woman’s intelligent, well-analyzed viewpoint never helps your case with her - regardless of what you may trying to be enticing her to do.
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
FlowerChild2 :
You mean this one.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/02/20/matthews/
Sista:
forgive my misbehavior, I was just having a little fun with T-bone.
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
T-bone …. “afraid your lies will fall apart???” Well here is another example of BHO just saying whatever suits his crowd at the time. Actions speak louder than words and giving a speech about equal pay for women including throwing accusations at JM all the while “an analysis of his Senate staff shows that women are outnumbered and out-paid by men”…ah, but who cares about the facts, he can sure give a speech can’t he.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200806/POL20080630a.html
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Okay, I’ll be your hucleberry. I am in the office right now but soon as I get home, I’ll counter those with my own information if no one has done so by then.
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
So, what will the PUMAs say to word that the party of their protest candidate is basically being taken over by the Assemblies of God neopentecostal illegal fundraising?
I know your comments regarding “don’t scare us with roe v wade” and I get your point - how likely is it that roe v wade would actually be over-turned?
but when the majority of the republican party is being funded by groups who are getting “moral refusal” legislation - laws that allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense birthcontrol, laws that allow EMT’s to refuse transport for medically neccesary abortions, you should start paying attention to where the money leads - Dobson and Copeland to name just a few.
on June 30th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
In other words, the Clintons don’t like the rules when the rules work against them!
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
justzisguy said,
on june 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
so, what will the pumas say to word that the party of their protest candidate is basically being taken over by the assemblies of god neopentecostal illegal fundraising?
———————————————-
If Obama supporters are so terrified (all of a sudden!) about women’s rights, then you should have supported Hillary who has a much better track record on this and every other area. Obama and his surrogates displayed a great deal of contempt for women during this primary and, as a result, McCain appears to be the lesser of two evils.
You all continue to rely on tactics of fear, slander, and malice to support an illegitimate candidate because Obama has no record of positive accomplishments on women’s rights or any other pressing political issue.
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
a good commentary on the bias of MSNBC
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27257#continueA
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Why NARAL endorsed Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-keenan/why-naral-pro-choice-amer_b_101708.html
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I think t’s bone has gone soft.
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
HEY GUYS & GALS - IT SEEMS OUR FRIEND TBONE WAS USING A PHONEY EMAIL ADDRESS - SO I’VE PROCEEDED TO DELETE ALL OF HIS COMMENTS ….
LET’S BOW OUR HEADS IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
T-bone,
Can you give a specific answer why you are supported obama and not Hillary?
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
t-
pray tell what is the diff? “I aint on her to change anyones mind but merely to show them the folly of their ways…”
and is this the real problem “why others might actually start to believe it.”
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Hirehells:
good for you, I was wondering how far you ladies was going to let it go.
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
akron, thank you for the link. this whole primary woke me up to how railroaded the american public is these days. thank god for puma.
t bone, endorsements are bought and sold. wake up. by the way, i think obama also garnered the much less publicized private endorsement of slum landlords in chicago whose stock in trade is exploiting impoverished women and children. i know i’m impressed.
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
“Obama beat her fair & square. She had a quarter of a billion dollars to spend and she mismanaged it. It was a delegate race and he won the most delegate.”
I can accept the rest of your reason and I even agree. Although, fair and square is farfetch in regards to the delegate counts and the bias opinion of the media and the betrayal within the dnc.
on June 30th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Peronally, I think you have a distinguish hatred for the clinton, when you mention about the baggages. Pitty!
on June 30th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
One more thing, T-bone.
“I’m a Democrat and support the Democratic Party. I’ve voted for Democrats as long as I have been able to vote.
Whether its the environment, women’s rights, gay marriage, or the military, I don’t trust the republicans as far as I can spit. The past 8 years we have proven that absolute powere corrupts absolutely. We have a failed war, a government that doesn’t care about the plight of people in Louisana and cares about making the richer rich and the poorer poor.”
I want what you also, however do you really believed that obama can change all that when his credibility are no more than yours or mined. Or perhaps congress will dictate that?
What of those affiliation with the hate groups? can we just turn away from it and assume that his words are true despite of the evidence.
Can we all be wrong about sen. obama?
on June 30th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Someone should mention to Ed Rendell….that if you lie with dogs….you end up with fleas!
GO PUMA!!!!
on June 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
got a request for special donation from the dnc it was their “no special interest” t-shirt these guys must think we are stupid, thay are their own special interest. My reply:
Once again please be aware my feelings have not changed dispite your attempts to H.U.O.U.N.D. me:
“I am sorry my refusal to support Senator Obama in the General Election is not up for discussion. I cannot be cajoled, harassed, or guilted into changing my mind. If you would like to discuss us working on down ticket support of the party to increase democratic control of the congress I am open and look forward to such a discussion.”
I am sorry I will give no time and money to your endeavor; I am committed to the PUMA movement. I look forward to Mr. Obama returning to the senate for the next congress , where he should spend more time learning his job and showing up to vote on issues that are important to the Democratic Party. I would also expect him to keep President John McCain on a short leash until we can run a more qualified candidate in the 2012 election.
Also in conclusion, I cannot believe that you would support a candidate that has manipulated the democratic process to gain the nomination. The party should be ashamed. After our loss in November, I expect a major house cleaning when the DNC headquarters is moved back to Washington DC where it belongs. I will be glad to assist you in this house cleaning and in overhauling our nominee selection process.
Michael P Varvel
Justsaynodeal
pretty good hugh?
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
tbone is further evidence of the failure of No Child Left Behind.
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Hate groups? Read any anti-Hillary blogs at random. Not to mention two clergy men at TUCC in rabid attack mode and a churchful of congregants cheering them on in their hatred.
No one can argue against Obama’s achievement, but the unspoken corollary is that no AA man will ever again have this opportunity so we have to push him through. That underestimates and insults the entire AA community.
His achievement would have been more effective if he had been elected, not selected. What we’re left with now is a fractured party and a weak candidate, and a loss in Nov.
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
t-
you might consider recalling that Senator Obama DID NOT win enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination. You might also consider that there were a number of discretionary decisions related to the votes and the delegates in both Florida and MI. Last, you might ask yourself how can it be fair or right to get 10 delegates out of a 10,000 vote lead in one state and get only 10 delegates out of 100,000 vote lead in another. If you answer these questions, you will see that Obama was in no way selected in a fair and square contest. This might suit you fine right now but wait until you are on the other side … and then see if you don’t cry foul too.
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
t-bone tell me how long have you been voting democratic? since the primaries-I see you read all the obama for america talking points. I believe t-bone is a pimpily faced 19 yearold who will never leave his parents house and spends the days sitting at the computer because he has no other life. probably never been o a real date with a man or woman because he cannot borrow his parents car.
t-bone john mccain is the first republican to be nominated with out the help of the religious right since gerald ford. they distain him but because the republican process for selecting their nominee was not corrupted by sexism, racism, nor a biased media, the fundies have no leg to stand on protesting the repug candidate.
that they are going to vote for mccain because they really have no where else to go. unlike us pumas who have many options that lead to a obama defeat. the reason there are so many views about why we will not vote for obama and that some of them contradict each other is because we all have different reason not to support him-from the virtol of his followers-to his racism-to his misoginy-to heis inexperience-th fear that he will be another jimmy carter-and on and on it goes.
pumas do not have a group mind like you t-bone we have a creator/god(dess) given ability to think for ourselves.
now that i have addressed all your phony concerns would you please exit the blog. you have worn out you welcome here and anything else you say will only harm your candidate.
aoh and using a fake email address means you are a coward and weekling if social darwinism were a rule of law you would never have made it to you 1st keyboard-without someone kicking the crap out of you.
now answer some of my charges against your character?
sorry heels I have had enough of t bone.
fuzzybeargville
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Don’t forget that Dean and Fiends (not a typo) asked people to be DINOs (Democrats in Name Only) to secure the nom for Barack. I guess that’s why all these bloggers suddenly feel the need to HOUND us because all those DINOs are going to vote Republican in the GE.
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Hey, hireheels, major push before midnight to help pay the campaign expenses of HRC. The DNC sent me an email asking me to give $30 to Barack. I just said no deal and gave to HRC. Please contribute. Here is the hireheels contribution link:
https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=ac0&rc=I39A
on June 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
tbone, go home.
on June 30th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
jaym-am going to give hillary $ 25.00 on july 4th is hillary for president financial independence day
on June 30th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Ok heels. princess’ safety has been compromised. I want you all to be careful and any of you obama supporters who think that threatening women with bodily harm over a political debate is ok… you can get off my blog!!!!
on June 30th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
We are not going away and my vote is not for sale…Hopefully soon they will really start to get it….this is about more than Hillary and party unity. And newsflash Ed….there is still time to get things right. That’s why superdelegates and their votes were created. I was at the 1968 convention…looking in from the outside(where I saw Daily politics up close and personal) and after that EVERYONE in this grand old party declared things needed to change. That’s how and why the superdelegates were put in place. Up until this election they haven’t been needed. But once again a Daily via Axelrod and other Chi-town boys trying to strong arm everyone into doing what they want. It is time to turn the page on this stuff…so Obama can take all his playmates and get lost in all those project buildings that never got fixed!
on June 30th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Comment by ZombieForTruth
June 30th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvXbmRZbs5M
Pass it on!
on June 30th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
right on sista…fuzzy is on your side i will spread the word be vigiliant
fuzzybeargville
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
hi heels. looks like the fund-raising link has been hacked with everything else. please go directly to hillary’s website and make your donations. or if you feel more comfortable snail mail her a check.
also you might be interested in this story RE pro-Hillary blogs being hacked on NY TImes website:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/google-and-the-anti-obama-bloggers/
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I just bought a card for Ed and his HOUND.
It has a pissed off looking cat on the front.
Inside: Heard you’re one sick puppy- you should pardon the expression. Get Well Soon.
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I too have contributed much to HRC. I will be donating on the 4th for our independence from needing anything from BO. It is a wonderful thing our democracy, watching this thing grow is beyond beautiful.. It is a shame that the Obama people feel the need to denigrate those Hillary supporters that do not have the means to send hundreds of dollars. That does not make them any less important to the process. One vote is all we get, make it count. Peace.
on June 30th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
sista: I just e-mailed princess.
on June 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
i too plan to donate again on July 4.
the troll above who said, “just because the candidate you wanted to win so badly didn’t come out on top,” demonstrates they don’t get it. and anyone –particularly anyone who has parented– knows that “tantrums” don’t get attention — movements do and that’s what’s getting ‘em.
on June 30th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
say a prayer to the creator father/mother god(dess) for princess’ safety every one tonight
fuzzybeargville
on July 1st, 2008 at 6:23 am
fuzzy, flowerchild, sista, minxie - you have all made me feel so comforted - i cannot begin to tell u…..all ur messages here and in my inbox - and all the sms messages - princess is overwhelmed…..
i never really appreciated the expression “we’ve got your back” - but i sure do now…
when “PAPA” - the hireheels stalker - phoned me direct the other day - i was more amused than frightened - i do have a fearless, sassy side - i won’t bore you with my upbringing, but suffice it to say - princess may wear prada but she coats is with kevlar ….
fuzzy, i’ve ordered a sleek, pink metallic taser gun - i recommend for all the hireheels gals - - sorry sista - in massachusetts they say “don’t tase me, bro!” bottom line….I promise to be extra careful….
as far as the intrusion - my gut tells me it was a warning…to remind me ‘they’ know where i live…. I won’t speculate here beyond that - but, nothing would shock me …. that’s all i will say.
the nytimes article…
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/google-and-the-anti-obama-bloggers/?ref=technology
….is just another indicator of how far people will go to protect Senator Obama - whether they were Google insiders or not, we will never know….but that should give all of us pause….
i say let’s keep exposing ‘them’ — once we figure out who “them” are….
hireheels hugs & kisses
on July 1st, 2008 at 7:00 am
fuzzybeargville’s am PSa:
Morning sorry about my lack of contributions was a fit full night sleeping. Last night princess wares Prada was compromised at HH last night a man showing up in a police uniform banged on her door demanding she let him in and when she asked for him to show his badge he refused.
Last weekend a poster ‘big papa” posted an evil vile post on HH and shortly after he called princess and harassed her on the phone. I am not sure if the events are related but most likely so.
Questions were asked, how did he find out her phone number? How did he know where she lived? It seems he may be a real police officer. In most Florida jurisdictions, the patrol cars have computers that have “911 emergency” information and can access everyone’s address and phone number.
This is the important part-in many Florida areas like in my county the 911 systems are maintained by jurisdiction. We have city 911 addressing and county 911 addressing and they are two separate systems. I if you find yourself in this situation and find you are being harassed like princess, do not stay home leave your home.
Try to get out of your jurisdiction into another one have an escort to take you back and forth to your home until your safety is re-established. Keep the police dept desk number and the non emergency number by your door.
If someone IDs themselves as law enforcement do not let them in your home with first seeing their badge and confirm the visit thru the police dept numbers. Let the person on the other side of your door know you are verifying him with the department. Also make sure you have a good deadbolt lock and a slide chain on the door to prevent it from opening it all the way.
Please take these precautions safety first.
fuzzybeargville
on July 1st, 2008 at 8:05 am
thx FB - u are the sweetiest …no wonder they call u fuzzy
on July 1st, 2008 at 8:30 am
Princess - find out about hiring a bodyguard - an off duty private detective. I will chip in. … and be careful of being followed no matter where you are. Stop and make them go ahead of you!
on July 1st, 2008 at 9:39 am
Can you understand the thinking that says “threatening” someone is going to make them support your candidate? This individual has obviously killed way to many braincells. The Princess is now locked deeper in our hearts than ever. Watch the movie “Iron Jawed Angels” and you see what happens when you threaten or abuse women with a cause. You lose.
And for a really smart politician Ed Rendell did a really stupid thing. He legitimized PUMA by acknowledging it. And he made HOUND the object of ridicule since it’s nothing but a political ploy initiated by a politician. PUMA is from the people. HOUND is from the party we are protesting. See a problem there Ed?
on July 1st, 2008 at 9:54 am
For once, I agree with Akron… no need to take unnecessary risk, as you are putting your self out there, and you are not the most secure with your telephone # /full name- is your address listed? Take an extra second or two and look at your auto replies, press releases, etc. and see if you can make them more secure.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:11 am
whats up my bitter peeps. its your friendly obot in the house!!!
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:13 am
bit·ter
1. having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes.
2. producing one of the four basic taste sensations; not sour, sweet, or salt.
3. hard to bear; grievous; distressful: a bitter sorrow.
4. causing pain; piercing; stinging: a bitter chill.
5. characterized by intense antagonism or hostility: bitter hatred.
6. hard to admit or accept: a bitter lesson.
7. resentful or cynical: bitter words.
–noun
8. that which is bitter; bitterness: Learn to take the bitter with the sweet.
9. British. a very dry ale having a strong taste of hops.
–verb (used with object)
10. to make bitter: herbs employed to bitter vermouth.
–adverb
11. extremely; very; exceedingly: a bitter cold night.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:14 am
los·er
–noun
1. a person, team, nation, etc., that loses: The visiting team was the loser in the series.
2. Informal.
a. a person who has been convicted of a misdemeanor or, esp., a felony: a two-time loser.
b. a person who has failed at a particular activity: a loser at marriage.
c. someone or something that is marked by consistently or thoroughly bad quality, performance, etc.: Don’t bother to see that film, it’s a real loser.
3. Slang. a misfit, esp. someone who has never or seldom been successful at a job, personal relationship, etc.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:17 am
I disagree with words. Any other actions beyond that is terrible and pathetic.
Peace…
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
Wow… you’re awfully fond of censorship… and I don’t think T-bone ever said anything rude… even the delusional comment(could deleting his remarks be considered the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears?). His opinions were well thought out, and I thought he made an effort of being fair, much better than was given to him. He was giving and taking, the comments directed at him, and not just the ones he had a pre-established answer for. But I guess we can’t verify that, since his comments have been deleted.
I wonder if my email address will turn up “fake” next.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am
Good morning t-bone are you going to behave today my rare little poltergeist steak? My gals have had a rough one in the past 24; as you may know being threatened, assaulted and/ or harassed is exhausting. Enjoy the debate. but keep it civil.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:39 am
t-bone….don’t insult us. Don’t sign off with peace just because you want to be cool. You are neither peaceful or cool. Make yourself useful and go join the military. Maybe they can make a man out of you!!
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
top of the morning…
Don’t worry the censors will return…they don’t want me to get in the way of group hugs on here.
I try and be reasonable about you people and it just gets me frustrated so I have to come try and reason with you.
on July 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
no worries fc2, but thank you for tireless support. regards tb. i haven’t censored anything btw. generally princess and i confer about deleting expletives or truly hateful or offensive stuff (we are a family show), but other than that it should remain in tact. we do have some tech issues with our program though, so i apologize if something truly poignant got the ax. again, please direct your debate towards policy not counter-productive nonsense. thanks for playing hh peeps. oh, and the fund-raising link has been “un-hacked,” so de-debt hill at will.
Cheers,
scl
—
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
I think we can put our “visitors’ words to good use. Since I read O pays his blogger 13 cents a word, I am sending $38.00 to reduce Hillary’s debt. This is amount is based on comment #42, who wrote 293 words. Thanks for the great idea visitors. If anyone wants to join me, let me know which comment and I will count the words for you if you don’t feel like doing it yourself.
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
Princess is guilty as charged….she deemed T-Bone abusive to HireHeels gals & guys….while we adore heated dialogue (actually makes us a little hot)…we loathe outright insults and offensive statements.
Allowing T-Bone full reign of our safe haven defeats the very purpose for starting this blog ….to escape the abuse on Kos & huffpo…(and defend our gal, of course!)
Obama supporters as well as McCain supporters are always welcome to our political jam session…
but do behave….u never know when the well-heeled prada police are watching!!
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:04 am
Sister Christian
Oh the time has come
And you know that you’re the only one
To say O.K.
But you’re motoring
You’re motoring
Night Ranger and Journey. Its doesn’t get any better…
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
The news is talking quite a bit about swing voters determining the general. Now you add our votes to swing voters, voting for McCain which is more than likely where they will go….and I doubt very much that Hail to Chief will be played in O’s honor anytime soon. Any thoughts about that heels guy and gals?
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:13 am
anniem said:
“You all continue to rely on tactics of fear, slander, and malice to support an illegitimate candidate because Obama has no record of positive accomplishments on women’s rights or any other pressing political issue.”
Excuse me? Exactly where have I used slander?
Since when is making an unbackable legal accusation the standard tactic here?
I have pointed out some very disturbing facts about current policy in various places regarding health care issues that are traditionally considered liberal feminist issues.
Look up moral refusal laws, anniem, and look into who has financed the passing of that legislation. look into who is aligned with such groups as “The Family” and Focus on the Family.
I’m not telling or asking you to vote Obama anymore - you’ve already stuck your fingers in your ears (those of you who don’t engage in debate), but I’m hoping you’ll take some actions on issues:
Why is it okay for an EMT to refuse to transport a woman to a medically necessary abortion? Because Focus on the Family and other similar groups actings as PAC got the laws written that way.
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:15 am
you know you gals luv me…its a unity thing…
I’ll try to be not so overt in my ridicule…
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
#116 Comment is worth $4.00 now added to my $38.00 check going to reduce Hillary’s debt. I don’t mind voiding a check, I have plenty. And it’s poetry…..how inspirational!! And how lucky for me that I had not even yet sealed the envelope!!
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:24 am
princess: sorry about what happened to you doesn’t even begin to cut it.
This is why I’m sick and tired of inflammatory rhetoric on both sides - sooner or later some idiot is going to take a swing.
it disgusts me what all of this has become: the obama side saying everyone who doesn’t support him is a racist, and the clinton side saying everyone who doesn’t support her is a sexist.
if it’s not true that everyone who supports clinton is a racist, wouldn’t it stand to reason, if you used it, that not everyone who supports obama is a sexist?
as for someone’s comment about mccain being the only republican to get the nomination without the help of the religious right, you are sadly mistaken if you think mccain hasn’t cozied up to them.
and now that the texas supreme court has said it’s okay if a church physically abuses a member in an exorcism - because it’s their first amendment right, well, you see the danger that packing the courts and government with neopentacostal officials creates.
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am
let me revise and extend: it’s the violence that i truly abhor.
my job is, occasionally to conduct controlled violence where and when the government tells me.
politically based violence, against someone exercising their freedom of speech and conscience, perverts the very system I’m sworn to protect.
I pray that no further attacks happen, but it’s better to be over-prepared and wrong, than under-prepared and wrong, princess.
get mace, taser, whatever the law allows you to have in your jurisdiction. hell, a brick in your purse would work too, for one shot.
whatever you get for your personal protection - get trained on how _not_ to lose it your attacker’s hands.
stay safe, and keep on fighting your fight.
on July 1st, 2008 at 11:43 am
You gals always complain about “obamabots” But how are
you any different? I’ve never seen anyone answer a tough opposing point, let alone admit that someone else may have a couple of valid points. Pretty strange for people complaining about how the election was “undemocratic” and how their candidate was undermined by the MSM
I’ve asked, numerous times, how it makes sense to vote for McCain from HRC… but never gotten a reply. Why? because it doesn’t. But you do have the right to vote against the greater good just because you are hurt and angry.
None of you believe that’s in the best interest of our nation, nor do I think you believe that the country will be better with McCain than Obama.
So I ask the question again, What is the point in all of this? How do we make a positive outcome?
Personally, I liked this site a lot better when Princess was talking revolution.
Looking for real leaders.
not being the battered wives of American politics, the people who complain, but never take the steps to use their power to affect their own destiny.
Republicans, Democrats….
I am tired of all of these “politicians”. Oh, I know we are Senators, who control more money and power than any other body in the world, but we can’t do anything to over come the President.
WEAK! so weak, none of them has the right to be President
Every day, more people die, more hundreds of millions are spent, and we get closer to a permanent climate change that could kill millions. Does anybody know when the climate changes will become irreversible and New York, Miami and LA will be underwater? No, me either, but I think it’s a question that I want answered, and discussed, and debated.
They tolerate a President and Vice President who have broken laws, and forced us into a stupid war. The same ones who allowed 9/11 to happen.
Why? Republicans, Democrats, the difference between them is whether they summer on Nantucket or Martha’s Vineyard.
They eat from the same trough, and get fat while our economy, our and our world crumble.
How about a third party… the People party… defining a platform, defining what our government is supposed to do for us. And demanding action on pressing issues. Asking why our President, who sends troops to war, can’t get over there to sort things out himself.
on July 1st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
thank you alg0. that’s the type of debate to which i was referring. Whether i agree or not, is not the issue. carry on.
on July 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Algo - “I’ve asked, numerous times, how it makes sense to vote for McCain from HRC… but never gotten a reply. Why? because it doesn’t.”
… it makes sense for the following reasons
1) you want to show one of the parties that they cannot manipulate and steal elections
2) you recognize the risks you are taking and are willing to undertake them versus taking truly unknown risks. In fact given your moniker, it would suggest you know something about quantifiable versus non-quantifiable risks. …
3) you assess the risk and deem it tolerable for a period of time so as to accomplish a bigger and more important goal.
It isn’t that you don’t get answers, it is that you don’t like or don’t believe the ones you get.
Remember, this country was founded on principle. We are talking about fighting for similar principles - find me a better reason!
on July 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
3rd parties don’t work…not enough support and too many viewpoints besides there are plenty out there already.
why dont u give O credit for turning down lobbyist money and criticizing 527s and Move-on. government will only be reformed by more openness. Something Bush & McCain understand all too well.
fight the power form within/vote O
on July 1st, 2008 at 12:24 pm
akron hrc knows and understands principle.
you’all act that you were somehow more hurt than her about losing.
the ideas i hear on this site for why the oppose o are a joke. if u think that 2012 will some magical way be better, its ridiculous. if combine money & politics and control the flow of information, nothing will change.
stop the madness, vote o
on July 1st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
t-bone: they have crafted the most closed campaign imaginable. a few examples
- moving Muslim women from behind the stage
- refusing McCain’s townhalls
- refusing further debates with HRC
- recrafting MO image…. and all the time admitting, “we have a very specific message.” His whole campaign is a product marketing gig that was outlined long before they even picked him to be the spokesperson. It is well-accepted that Howard Dean went off and created Democracy for America and built a republican like machine to put a very liberal president in the White House. It wouldn’t even surprise me to find out they thought of BO before he ran for Senate and that was nothing more than a screen test. …
Besides what is so open about changing your mind to whatever is the most politically expedient point of the day - yes Wright, no Wright. Yes Move-on, No Move-on. … and don’t even get me started on “I pulled the wrong lever.”
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
akron for someone claiming to be so smart, I don’t see it.
don’t tell me hillary wasn’t stacking her crowd with poor red-necks every chance she got. its called pandering to your base.
I think obama actually accepted town hall meetings with Mccain, just not as many as Mccain wanted. The number he proposed would still be more than any we have had in our entire country’s history.
in case you weren’t watching tv, let me help. there were 22 debates. if u didn’t learn their differences from 22 debates, you ought to return that masters degree.
m.o. rocks the house. .
the idea that Dean & the DNC somehow conspired across 50 states to steal the election is ridiculous. You should be mad at HRC for hiring crappy and incompetent aids.
All hrc had to do was show she wasn’t an ice-cold policy wonk. Once she did that she took off, didn’t she? Why is obama’s fault for her taking so long to realize that?
get over it…
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
You gals always complain about “obamabots” But how are
you any different? I’ve never seen anyone answer a tough opposing point, let alone admit that someone else may have a couple of valid points.
Gee, alg0, haven’t you and I done just that? I’m crushed that you’ve forgotten me so quickly.
… it makes sense for the following reasons
Thank you, akron. It’s nice to know someone’s paying attention to all our hard work :-).
if it’s not true that everyone who supports clinton is a racist, wouldn’t it stand to reason, if you used it, that not everyone who supports obama is a sexist?
True, justzisguy. For what it’s worth, I don’t think any of the HH bloggers ever thought that was the case. IMHO, sexism played a bigger role against HRC than racism played against BO, but those weren’t the only factors in this mess, something I want to post about later. BTW, thank you for your advice and support for Princess. She, and the rest of us, are grateful for the tactical and moral support.
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
hi princess im sorry what happend to you & i hope it never happens again. & by the way tome this is bigger than obama or hillary . when they took votes away from hillary & gave them to obama & when i group of DNC leaders . can pick & choose were they think the votes should go. thats just abought the most undemocratic think i can think of.
the DNC needs to be taught a lesson
thomas jefferson once said a littel rebellion now & then is a good thing.
i think its time for a PUMA rebellion
once again stay safe princess.
go pumas
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
alg() - the people who run this site, they do respond to you.
it’s their supporters who keep on giving one-liner answers that all amount to the same thing.
and the people running this site, unfortunately, they’re in a positive feedback loop - like putting a microphone next to the speaker it’s feeding through …
the people who comment here support hh’s goals.
so they say what they say, and don’t have to engage in real debate.
the people running the board, they do care about debate, but only have so much time to respond.
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
geez people, you would think we are in Zimbabwe.
hrc lost the primary just the same way bill managed to win the primary. unless you’all have access to some secret decoder ring that uncovered a vast conspiracy, it was her fault she lost. not dean, not the dnc and not obama. why is so hard to believe that more people in the right districts wanted o more?
maybe if the dnc was stacked with O supporters but the rules committee was a split of o & h supporters. the entire (that means everyone) voted to strip MI & FL for jumping ahead. i know raising 250 million might seem easy to you but you actually have to do some careful planning on where to spend your resources and if you let every state in the nation go right to the front of the line, while it might be too much? so the dnc in its infinite wisdom (including hrc supporters) put the kabosh so every one and their brother wouldn’t be trying to do the same thing.
get over it. move on peeps.
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
obama has no political compass. this has been demonstrated several times within the past two weeks alone. he has run to the right on issues like fisa, the death penalty, and now will expand upon bush’s faith based intiatives. he has changed positions on public financing, the dc gun ban, and NAFTA. is that change he was talking about?
hillary is not perfect, but she can take the heat. she is a centrist and doesn’t pander to fauxgressives. she can tell the audience at yearly kos that the iraqis need to step up and not be afraid to be booed because she stands by her principles. she may not always vote the way that i want her to, but at least she votes.
meanwhile, obama tells people what they want to hear. the message changes with the audience (iran is a threat/is not a threat) he misses votes (move on, kyl/lieberman) and then criticizes afterwards. nothing is ever his fault. it’s always the fault of some staffer or our own misunderstanding . i see in him a lot of the same qualities that i saw in w: arrogance, entitlement, claiming to be a uniter not a divider. i’m not confident in his ability to lead.
the official position of hireheels is that we’re not supporting obama. no one has said that they’ll definitely vote for mccain. personally, i think there’s still time to sway public opinion and the superdelegates to support hillary, and that’s the avenue that i’ll take. i’ll reassess my position in august.
but what do you guys care? you’ve done such a good job telling us that we’re not needed, that we’re too old, unsophisticated and uneducated to be included in the ‘movement’. you can win without us, right?
oh, and we love hillary’s wonky side. we think details are hot.
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
tbone, i’m just not feeling the unity from you. why don’t you call us ugly and insult our mothers while you’re at it? maybe that’ll convince us to vote for ‘teh one’.
on July 1st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
americansoldier why whould you say that its unfortunate
that princess & any one eles from hh. that runs this site.
are in a positive feedback loop ?
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
#123 Algo…I think your complaints about the state of the country are heartfelt and have been true for a long, long time. To put this and every other presidency in perspective, our country already survived Richard Nixon and he set a lower bar than Bush & Co.
The reason pro-Hillary sites exist is because even though many of us despair of justice, we still plug away at it. There is no male politician, having garnered 17+ mil of the popular vote, who would have been elbowed out of the nomination. Akron’s post #125 is relevant. In a primary this close, everything has to be super-scrupulous and above-board. Unfortunately, it wasn’t and the DNC has to live with the consequences.
While I think it would be very difficult to get a third party off the ground, I hope PUMA could be developed as a watchdog agency since politicians are not ethical enough to police themselves.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
flowerchild2
“Since I read O pays his blogger 13 cents a word”
why do you keep repeating this with _not one shred of evidence_ to back up that claim?
That makes you look as bad as the obama supporters you denounce.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
was anyone upset when hillary implied that O was a muslim? I’m willing to bet it was only me.
piper, you have got to get off the pipe… there aint no way the supers are changing their mind. somehow people are going to realize that the entire party was wrong and beg hillary to be the nominee. this isnt fantasy island.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“why whould you say that its unfortunate that princess & any one eles from hh. that runs this site. are in a positive feedback loop?”
because a positive feedback loop creates distortion.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pm
americansoldier–no one wants hh to become an echo chamber, but many of the people who come here have been run off from other ‘progressive’ blogs and want a place where they can state their positions without being abused. that’s why it’s so distressing when people like tbone and his ilk come into our house and call us delusional or stupid for not supporting obama.
spirited debate is welcome, but insults and degradation are not. it also doesn’t help your cause. it only hardens our resolve.
we’ve tried to debate those that disagree with us using thoughtful arguments. alas, those arguments are often dismissed as a ‘a joke’ or not good enough. it seems as if we’re not telling them what they want to hear.
thanks for your service.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
piper, if you think your all that and a bag of chips, you’all should post pics.
Until then I’ll reserve my ugly comment.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Perhaps we the people will learn to talk to these cultists by watching some videos and understanding their mentality….I think you are doing a great job here and I want to pass on some sites and information that will help us “disinfranchised 18 million voters” talk to these cultists:
Everyone take note: Cultists are fiercly fraternal. They take personal offense to any and all things critical to their brethren. They attack en masse, and will often recruit Cultists for backup whenever they need to portray the appearance of popularity. One should expect a flood of Cultist rhetoric at that point.
Pay attention everyone. This type of Cultist is among the more reasonable types. They are able to understand right from wrong, and generally are well informed and honest. The issue with this type is they are radically naive. This cultist is arguing something like: A Nazi soldier was not necessarily anti-semetic, he may have been just really proud to be German and serve in the Army. While technically true, only the most naive among us would come to the same conclusion. (ignoring Nazi conscrpits)
This is a prime example of the Cultist mentality. He/she cannot grasp anything as fact (even the obvious) unless their leader says it to be true. A Cultist can look at this video and actually be offended by the obvious. This explains why a Cultist will fall for their leader praising the public financing system, and then saying it’s fundamentally broken within a 7 month period. They will do so passionately and with a straight face, because this is a cult.
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First off, u don’t know Obama. You never been to Chicago–this is so clear due to ur ignorance on Obama’s history while working as an organizer for the Roseland Community. End of Story!
Further more, you should, 1st, tell us who u are and what have u contributed to society??? “nothing is my guess”. How can u make a serious statement when no one knows “jack” about u? what would come up if we googled u? a news article about u being busted smoking crack??? I wonder.
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Now, look how this Cultist still cannot articulate a cogent argument; even after intial criticism. He/she assumes I’ve never been to Chicago based on NOTHING; for all they know I could be blogging FROM Chicago. And, then, of course, the required childish insult; in this case “smoking crack.” To a Cultist, opposition to Obama is, by definition, ignorance.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
i never said stupid.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
tbone–if you’re so confident, then why are you here? you can win without us, right?
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Go to these YouTubes and because Obamatrons have caused so much trouble you may not have the choice to rate, but they are really good. Below are YouTube links that are wonderful and tell a great story. I will try to give you titles of them also. Please rate them and leave comments … we need to make them popular and please pass these links on to your friends… hope this helps us all stay strong and not let the DNC or Obama assume our votes and maybe we can say to them once again, “Just get over it.”
Below is a 5 part series on “How to Talk to an Obama Cultist”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nu48TgUVCo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6OAizwKHsU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcjNY8mGhxw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQxJRKXJrwU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXKvV8kyZUE&feature=related
527 ads against Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZPEYaPl8Vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZIk35GHis&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSd06IHUZhY
Is Obama Your Personal Jesus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKdi-qxFvk&feature=related
Forest gump version… you changed … we found out about you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFbguoMgd50
HOnest talk by a black man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_aIvfFq3BA
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
no, you didn’t, tbone. another commenter did. it isn’t always about you.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
come on now if bmw doesn’t make u a little worried…
cultist? ooooh…we better watch out.
i think the 18 million disenfranchised number might be a teeny bit high…but if that number makes everyone warm & fuzzy here, don’t let me stop you.
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:42 pm
i keep getting lumped in with the stupid guy…just wanted to point that out b/c I’m apparently the bad guy here.
this site is very entertaining. I can’t stay away, i’m hooked. its better than soaps…
on July 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
“the required childish insult”
like cultist?
on July 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Do your ears hang low?
Do they wobble to and fro?
Can you tie them in a knot?
Can you tie them in a bow?
Can you throw them o’er your shoulder
Like a Continental Soldier?
Do your ears hang low?
Do your ears hang high?
Do they reach up to the sky?
Do they wrinkle when they’re wet?
Do they straighten when they’re dry?
Can you wave them at your neighbor
With an element of flavor?
Do your ears hang high?
Do your ears hang wide?
Do they flap from side to side?
Do they wave in the breeze
From the slightest little sneeze?
Can you soar above the nation
With a feeling of elevation?
Do your ears hang wide?
Do your ears fall off
When you give a great big cough?
Do they lie there on the ground
Or bounce up at every sound?
Can you stick them in your pocket
Just like Davy Crocket?
Do your ears fall off?
Does your tongue hang down?
Does it flop all around?
Can you tie it in a knot?
Can you tie it in a bow?
Can you throw it o’er your shoulder
Like a Continental Soldier?
Does your tongue hang down?
Does your nose hang low?
Does it wiggle to and fro?
Can you tie it in a knot?
Can you tie it in a bow?
Can you throw it o’er your shoulder
Like a Continental Soldier?
Does your nose hang low?
Do your eyes pop out?
Do they bounce all about?
Can you tie them in a knot?
Can you tie them in a bow?
Can you throw them o’er your shoulder
Like a Continental Soldier?
Do your eyes pop out?
on July 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
americansoldier doesn’t like my idea of counting their words and applying them to retire Senator Clinton’s debt. I never said it was absolute truth; I said I read it somewhere. So American, how much do you get paid? Are you considered self-employed? How many deductions do you claim? Do you pick up your check from an office, or is it mailed to you. Does your mother know what you are doing for a living?
on July 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
i read somewhere that there are alien babies here on earth and obama might be one of them…luckily we have hh gals have their secret decoder rings to let everyone know…
on July 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I didn’t say i didn’t like what you’re doing, flowerchild2, I just asked you to follow some pretty standard guidelines when you make claims about the people you oppose: don’t lie about them.
What I do for a living?
Commenting on this site sure isn’t what i do for a living, flowerchild, but you want to continue to make accusations? go right ahead. I think by my “handle” it’s pretty easy to tell what I do for a living - what do you do for a living, flowerchild? make peace signs and talk about love and cosmic wonder?
“I never said it was absolute truth”
but you keep repeating it like you believe it to be absolute truth.
that does HRC a disservice, to have rumors floated by supporters without evidence - isn’t that what you accuse your enemies of doing?
on July 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
like cultist ?#149
Or, like “poor redneck” #129
the republicans are going to sit back, relax, and laugh while watching obama-nation self-destruct. Pass the popcorn, t-bone.
or, they may allow o to win because he will provide gainful employment to lots of republican lawyers eager to investigate o and his associates and all at the expense of taxpayers. Repubs are in a win-win situation with this candidate.
princess….I believe the bark of O-zealots is worse than their bite, but make sure you and your colleagues take care. O is apparently too weak or too unethical to control his fringe element.
on July 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
please…what was wrong with that last posting.
she is implying o can’t control obots
but hrc can’t control pumas? your ignoring the very person you claim to support. doesn’t make sense, does it?
on July 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
hrc could have run a better campaign… but running a winning campaign does not qualify one to be POTUS. … this is even more true when you get extra help from gaming the system in Michigan and Florida. “Oh we didn’t know a national ad on CNN would run in Florida, so sorry we are for breaking the pledge we signed. Again, we pulled the wrong lever. T-bone - ANYONE who believes this litany of lies isn’t willing to see the truth.
on July 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
easy there soldier, this group is having a hard time with the logic…they still can’t get past what the > or votes than HRC = O the winner!!!
I keep trying to help but they get mad for some reason.
on July 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
hey akron,
I was beginning to th