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it’s my party and i’m done cryin’ – let’s roar pumas

Posted on June 12th, 2008 in Closeted by hireheels

The PUCCI, er I mean PUMA movement has begun. Bloggers and organizations from across the country have joined together to Just Say No Deal —  we will not accept the presumptive nominee that is being shoved down our throats by the DNC and the Mean-Streak Media.Our reasons for dissent are as diverse as America itself, but we all have this in common:

We support Hillary … We reject Obama …We will not fall in line.

You may call me a sore loser or say that I’m suffering from sour grapes, and you’d be partially right. I cannot reward voter suppression and delegate stealing. I cannot endorse the hypocrisy of using strong-armed tactics while promising a ‘new type of politics’. I cannot support the cowardice of refusing re-votes and debates. I cannot condone the sexist and misogynistic treatment of Hillary by his campaign and its followers. I cannot vote for someone who has shown nothing but contempt and disrespect for his opponent, her spouse, and her supporters, especially when, according to ABC News, he will not spend much time trying to bring us into the fold.

Apparently, we aren’t likable enough after all.piper_in_pucci_byline

But there are other reasons that I’m leaning toward voting for John McCain in the fall, ones that are related to the issues that I care about.

Supreme Court appointments and the protection of Roe v. Wade is something that Obama supporters and the media like to hang over our collective heads. This gets a big yawn from me. Obama did not support the filibuster of Justice Samuel Alito, and he reportedly supported Chief Justice John Roberts before being told that his support may hurt his future presidential run. As I told Sam Stein, Obama was for John Roberts before he was against him. Besides, presidents only nominate Supreme Court Justices. The senate confirms them. If the Democratic-controlled congress will grow a pair and make abortion a litmus test during the confirmation hearings, then this becomes a non-issue. Next….I also think that Obama is weak on gay rights. He’ll talk to our enemies without preconditions, but he won’t talk to the Philadelphia Gay News? When he did finally grant an interview with The Advocate, he said that while he supports the elimination of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, he won’t make its repeal a requirement for his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. WTF?He reportedly refused to be pictured with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom at a 2004 fundraiser because Newsom’s decision to allow same-sex marriage in his city had been the focus of recent controversy. Political courage, thy name is not Obama. Obama also has a lot of homophobic supporters that are active members of his campaign, such as Donnie McClurkin and Rev. James Meeks. Tell me again why he would be good to the GLBT community?Finally, I don’t think that Obama will be any better on Iraq than McCain. Obama (or Clinton) would not commit to a full pullout of troops by 2013. Hell, McCain says it will be won by then.

Samantha Power, a foreign policy advisor who resigned from the Obama campaign after calling Hillary a monster, had told the BBC in March that his plan to withdraw combat troops within the first 16 months of his administration was simply a “best case scenario” and that Obama “…will not rely upon some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or as a US senator.” And in April, the New York Sun reported that Colin Kahk, another key Obama advisor, wrote a paper suggesting that the U.S. keep 60,000-80,000 troops in Iraq through the end of 2010. It appears that Obama’s Iraq withdraw plan is nothing more than just words. So what can Obama do to convince rouge Hillary supporters like me to heed my candidate’s advice and support him? Well, for starters, an apology from Obama and the DNC would be appreciated, as would recognition from the media and the progressive blogosphere that their coverage of Hillary during this campaign season was disgraceful and abhorrent. Also, adding Hillary’s true universal healthcare program to the platform would go a long way with me. To date, neither of those things has occurred, and I’m doubtful that they will. Obama, the DNC, Kos and Josh don’t think that we’re a priority. They all think that they can win without us.I say let’s watch them try.


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  1. hireheels said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 11:02 am



  2. Rose said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    I will vote mccain before I vote for obamah

  3. Brian said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 11:39 am


    Here are the list of states won. Here are the supers who went against her. Email and fax them to put pressure on them

    1. DNC John Davies
    2. DNC Blake Johnson
    3. DNC Cindy Spanvers
    4. Tony Knowles

    1. Gov. Janet Napolitano
    2. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords
    3. Rep. Harry Mitchell
    4. Rep. Raul Grijalva
    5. DNC Charlene Fernandez
    6. Terry Goddard

    1. Sen. Barbara Boxer
    2. Rep. Anna Eshoo
    3. Rep. Xavier Becerra
    4. Rep Barbara Lee
    5. Rep Adam Schiff
    6. Rep. George Miller
    7. Rep Henry Waxman
    8. Rep. Howard Berman
    9. Rep Linda Sanchez
    10. Rep Zoe Lofgren
    11. Rep Lois Capps
    12. Rep Pete Stark
    13. Rep Jim Costa
    14. Rep Dennis Cardoza
    15. Rep Jerry MCNerney
    16. Rep Sam Farr
    17. Rep Bob Filner
    18. Rep Maxine Waters
    19. Rep Susan Davis
    20. DNC Hon. Eric Garcetti
    21. DNC Norma Torres
    22. DNC Jeremy Bernard
    23. DNC Mary Ellen Early
    24. DNC Alexandra Gallardo-Rooker
    25. DNC Steven Alari
    26. DNC Inola Henry
    27. DNC Edward Espinoza
    28. DNC Vernon Watkins
    29. DNC Crystal Strait
    30 DNC John Perez
    31. DNC Kamil Hasan
    32. DNC Garry Shay
    33. DNC Rachel Binah
    34. DNC Christine Pelosi
    35. DNC Robert Rankin
    36. William Quay Hays
    37. Lou Paulson

    1. Rep. Robert Wexler
    2. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    3. Rep. Alcee L. Hastings
    4. Rep Corrine Brown
    5. Rep. Kendrick B. Meek
    6. Rep. Ron Klein
    7. DNC Allan Katz
    8. DNC Joyce Cusack
    9. Rep. Kathy Castor
    10. DNC Janee Murphy
    11. DNC Diane Glasser
    12. DNC Mitchell Ceasar
    13. Dan Gelber

    1. Gov. Steve Beshear
    2. Rep. John Yarmuth
    3. ERep. Ben Chandler

    1. Gov. Deval Patrick
    2. Sen. John Kerry
    3. Sen. Ted Kennedy
    4. Rep. William Delahunt
    5. Rep. Michael Capuano
    6. Rep. John Olver
    7. Rep. Nikki Tsongas
    8. DNC John Walsh
    9. DNC Margaret Xifaras
    10. DNC Raymond Jordan
    11. DNC David O’Brueb
    12 DNC Alan Solomont
    13. DNC Paul Kirk
    14. DNC Debra Kozikowski

    1. Rep. John Conyers
    2. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick
    3. DNC Lauren Wolfe
    4. DNC Robert Ficano
    5. DNC Eric Coleman
    6. DNC Eric Coleman
    7. DNC Virgie Rollins
    8. DNC Brenda Lawrence
    9. DNC LU Battaglieri
    10. DNC Joyce Lalonde
    11. DNC Debbie Dingell
    12. DNC Richard Wiener

    New Jersey:
    1. Sen. Frank Lautenberg
    2. Rep. Steve Rothman
    3. Rep. Rush Holt
    4. Rep. Donald Payne
    5. DNC Christine Roz Samuels
    6. DNC Donald Norcross
    7. DNC Dana Redd

    1. Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid
    2. DNC Steven Horsford
    3. DNC Teresa Benitez- Thompson
    4. DNC Yvonne Gates
    5. DNC Catherine COrtez Masto
    6. Sam Lieberman

    New Hampshire:
    1. Rep. Carol Shea-Porter
    2. Rep. Paul HOdes
    3. DNC Raymond Buckley
    4. DNC Hon. Martha Fuller Clark

    New Mexico:
    1. Gov. Bill Richardson
    2. Sen. Jeff Bingaman
    3. Fmr DNC Chair Fred Harris
    4. Rep. Tom Udall
    5. DNC Brian Colon
    6. Laurie Weahkee

    New York:
    1. Rep. Gary Ackerman
    2. Rep. Michael Arcuri
    3. Rep Timothy Bishop
    4. Rep. Josheph Crowley
    5. Rep Eliot Engel
    6. Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand
    7. Rep. John Hall
    8. Rep. Brian Kiggins
    9. Rep. Maurice Hinchey
    10. Rep. Steve Israel
    11. Rep. Nita Lowey
    12. Rep. Carolyn Maloney
    13. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy
    14. Rep. Michael McNulty
    15. Rep. Gregory Meeks
    16. Rep. Jerrold Nadler
    17. Rep. Charles Rangel
    18. Rep. Jose Serrano
    19. Rep. Louise Slaughter
    20. Rep. Edolphus Towns
    21. Rep. Nydia Velazquez
    22.Rep. Anthony Weiner
    23. Rep. Yvette D. Clarke
    24. DNC Marianne Spraggins

    1. Gov Ted Strickland
    2. Sen. Sherrod Brown
    3. Rep. Betty Sutton
    4. Rep. Zach Space
    5. Rep. Tim Ryan
    6. DNC Chris Redfern
    7. DNC David Wilhelm
    8. DNC Sonni Nardi
    9. DNC Mark Mallory
    10. DNC Rhine McLin
    11. DNC Enid Goubeaux
    12. DNC Joyce Beatty
    13. Dave Reagan
    14. Gov. Brad Henry
    15. DNC Kitty Asberry
    16. DNC Mike Morgan
    17. DNC Kalyn Free
    18. DNC Jay Parmley
    19. DNC Ivan Holmes
    20. Reggie Whitten

    1. Sen. Bob Casey
    2. Rep. Mike Doyle
    3. Rep. Patrick Murphy
    4. Rep. Chaka Fattah
    5. Rep. Bob Brady
    6. Rep. Jason Altmire
    7. DNC Carol Ann Campbell
    8. DNC Leon Lynch

    Rhode Island:
    1. Sen. Jack Reed
    2. Rep. Patrick Kennedy
    3. DNC Patrick Lynch

    South Dakota:
    1. Fmr Sen. Tom Daschle
    2. Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin
    3. DNC Jack Billion
    4. DNC Sharon Stroschein
    5. DNC Nicholas Nemec

    1. Gov. Phil Bredesen
    2. Rep. Jim Cooper
    3. Rep. Steve Cohen
    4. DNC Lois DeBerry
    5. DNC Will Cheek
    6. DNC Gray Sasser
    7. DNC Inez Crutchfield

    West Virginia:
    1. Gov. Joe Manchin
    2. Sen. Jay Rockefeller
    3. Sen. Robert Byrd
    4. Rep. Nick Rahall
    5. Rep. Alan Mollohan
    6. DNC Nick Casey

  4. madeline said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    I would rather have David Duke run as president than I had Barak Obama. It has been my belief that he is a Muslim, whether he belongs to a “Christian” church or not. Then the not so Rev. Wright came along, and just confirmed that belief. He is a true “African-American” as his father is from Africa, and his mother is American, but that be said, I don’t want someone like this man, and his wife for president and first “lady”. I too will vote for McCain, and hold my nose while doing it.

  5. JayM said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    I know that the OBots believe that polls are the basis of democracy because the No Child Left Behind program has failed to educate them properly. Let me remind you that democracy is based on one person (living), one vote – not caucus fraud or those people with Official Chicago Dead Person Voting Certificates. The bridge to McCain is an easier walk than the Grand Canyon to Barack. The only reason you are here arguing is that you are afraid. I will never vote for a Marxist who is weak on national security.

  6. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Florida democrats: I have the addresses of all the unfaithful super delegates from our state. Let me know if you want me to post them.

  7. happytohelphill said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    flowerchild2: “Let me know if you want me to post them”

    bring ‘em on, sista!
    What do you want us to do with them?

  8. on June 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Pheobe” has been going around to all the blogs threatening the Roe v Wade argument last night.

    She posted it on my blog and elsewhere.

    Maybe she just looked at the “Just Say No Deal” web list and decided to litter her threats that way.

    They better stop the Roe v Wade threats. They must think my arms are fallopian tubes and my head is a uterus! STOP insulting me with virtual womb threats!

    I’ll never vote for Obama, and we, as women, will not be beat down into silence over threats of supreme court action.

    A wave is rising–no one will take away our rights without the newly democratic Senate countering such judges, and don’t forget millions of women and men climbing the Supreme Court to make a stand, and besides–it would never become a national ban. It won’t be overturned.

    If we do not stand up now against the dem party–DNC, Obama-misogynist media…then WHAT THE HELL do we stand up for? Are we to allow this, so that the next woman who comes along is ripped a part–never getting up the ladder? How many women are as resilient as Hillary?

    To Phoebe (Obama groupie):

    Get the hell out of my vagina! I will not support Obama!

    Just Say No Deal.

  9. on June 12th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Thank you for that list of supers! I hope everyone sees it!

  10. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Puma suggested we write the unfaithful’s a letter expressing our views. If Hillary won our state, and the supers were to vote according to the will of the people, then all of our supers should have remained with Clinton and not pledge to Obama. I read that Obama convinced them to vote according to the will of the vote rather than to conscience as was the originally designed purpose of the super delegates.

  11. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Allan Katz for City Commission
    P.O. Box 38100
    Tallahassee, FL 32315-8100
    Campaign Office:
    (850) 264-0601

    Robert Wexler
    Washington, D.C. Office
    2241 Rayburn House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    phone: (202) 225-3001
    fax: (202) 225-5974

    Joyce Cusak
    House of Representatives
    513 The Capitol
    402 South Monroe Street
    Tallahassee, FL 32399-1300

    Kathy Castor, Florida Representative
    Washington Office
    317 Cannon House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: (202)225-3376
    Fax: (202)225-5652

    Tampa Office
    4144 N Armenia Ave
    Suite 300
    Tampa, FL 33607
    Phone: (813)871-2817
    Fax: (813)871-2864

    Senator Bill Nelson, pledged June 9, 2008 (after the call to Unity)
    Washington, D.C.
    United States Senate
    716 Senate Hart Office Building
    Washington, DC 20510
    Phone: 202-224-5274
    Fax: 202-228-2183

    Dianne Glasser, First Chair, of the Florida Democratic Party
    The House of Representatives
    Dan Gelber
    House of Representatives
    513 The Capitol
    402 South Monroe Street
    Tallahassee, FL 32399-130

    Jaynee Murphy and Dianne Glasser, Florida Democratic Party
    Mailing Address:
    214 South Bronough Street
    Tallahassee, FL 32301



  12. JayM said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    Hillary Clinton is not for sale!
    Watch the video:

    Then contribute:

    The money goes to HRC only – not the DNC , not the general election campaign.

  13. on June 12th, 2008 at 4:27 pm


  14. hireheels said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Princess is sooooooooooooo sick of the roe v. wade being hung over my head….just so i follow the dems like a good lil’ girl….not this gal, not this time…sorry — you cannot hijack an entire gender just so u can plug your shiny new boy in the oval office….i am not helping elect another unqualified human being….

    and if the times comes when the women in this country are forced into back-alley abortions – there won’t be a million women march – there’ll be woman revolution – that you can be certain of!

    Flowerchild – i miss U – i’ve been busy organizing the NOBAMA CAMPAIGN! — justsaynodeal.com

  15. woodhull said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Hey! Check out GeekLove’s new video “Hillary Clinton is not for Sale – Retire her debt” on Youtube.

    “Colleen” was all over the place, too, espousing “….I will follow her (Hillary’s lead) and vote for Obama.”

    Take a long hike, “Colleen”!! Also: Someone for the DNC has been combing through the blogs somehow — I got my ‘call’ to unity this afternoon. Funny, it made me shiver like I’d just gotten a draft notice. Checked out the meetups for my area and there are bunches of them — problem is, each one is populated by only 1 attendee. Ha ha ha.

    DNC is corrupt. I’m a red-blooded American–not a goose-steppin’ zoid.

    See you all in Denver!!!!

  16. woodhull said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    I forgot to ask: Any Washington State Nobama/Justsaynodeal people here? Want to talk with you about local organizing asap.

  17. DiamondTiger said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    It is my understanding that DNC headquarters are being moved to Chicago and the there will be no roll call on the floor of the convention. Can anybody corroborate these items? If the DNC and BO think they can keep the delegates from participating in a roll call at the convention, they have another thought coming. GRRRRRRR

    Puma Democrat

  18. lisadawn82 said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    You guys are the best.

    Thanks for organizing the justsaynodeal campaign.

  19. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 12th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Hi Hh.com crew. Sista’s back from the hospital— walking on one leg, but ambulatory at least. Thanks for keeping up the good fight whilst I’ve been heelless!!! JustSayNoDeal indeed. Buzz up for you all!!

  20. Sandra said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I will write in or Stay home. OMAMA NOMAMA NO DEAL OBAMA. Can someone explain how in the states that Hillary won, could the superdelegates go against the will of the voters??? Lets remember their names and not vote for them when they are up for re-election.

  21. RSP said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Hi Everyone…I have always loved Hillary, and I saw the writing on the wall about two months ago, as I’m sure many of you did. I could see how the liberal media treated her because she wasn’t the “new kid on the block”, and how the Democratic Party abandoned their support for her and went to Obama because he could attract the Youth Vote—I guess—and anyway, we Hillaryites are just poor, women, and uneducated. Ha! Anyway, I have been going to the John McCain site, and started reading about him. No he is not Hillary, but they both have similar qualities—inner strength, bravery, battle-tested, and they’re both survivors. I do like Senator McCain, and we cannot let Obama take over our country! I don’t trust him one bit! Senator McCain’s website is http://www.johnmccain.com. We can bond there because the bloggers are nice and don’t tell you to go away like the Obama and democrat.org site.

    Thank you Hillary for your service to our country, and your loyalty! I will always love and respect her for all the work she has done for America. She is stronger than most people can ever imagine.

  22. on June 13th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    [...] Heels is nonplussed over the suddenly popular anti-McCain Roe v. Wade scare tactic, unimpressed by Obama’s own judgment on judges: “Supreme Court appointments and the protection of Roe v. Wade is something that Obama [...]

  23. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 8:08 am

    hireheels: I know you are busy. Do we have any info to post about the convention? Hotels and such. Want to get my ticket ASAP!! You’re doing a great job and the people on this blog are wonderful.

  24. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    New York Times has published an article about our charges of sexism in the media. Dean is quoted in it. Supposedly it is being suggested that Obama give a speech on sexism as he did on racism. Now I feel my anger bubble on that one. What does Obama know about sexism? Hillary should give the speech. Obama is sexist himself with his Annie Oakley comments, his brushing her off his shoulders and even pant leg. Of course media is denying it, and saying perhaps there were a FEW comments. It’s pretty difficult to accuse the abusers. Abusers are always in DENIAL. My opinion is this is a two fold problem – - Clinton Hate + Sexism = Abuse of Power by the Media. We need a new network.

  25. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Forgot to comment, you can read the New York Times article on line.

  26. ainnj said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am


    “Gritty Gloucester man puts Kerry to test
    By Wayne Woodlief
    Friday, June 13, 2008 – Updated 3h ago

    Ed O’Reilly – the first primary challenger Sen. John F. Kerry has had since winning the seat in 1984 – threatens to give the junior senator a real tussle; one likely to keep the Democrats’ 2004 presidential nominee pinned down in Massachusetts and off the stump for the 2008 nominee, Barack Obama.

    O’Reilly, 55, a Gloucester lawyer, has a sense of humor, a blue-collar background and a penchant for challenging authority. One of six kids who grew up in his dad’s World War II veterans’ housing unit, he’s been a factory worker, firefighter, lobsterman, bank teller, prison guard and city councilor. He worked his way through UMass-Amherst and the New England School of Law.

    And though he’s sure to be outspent bigtime, O’Reilly may be right in his insistence that money isn’t everything in a race with so many angles.

    Despite Kerry’s busing in supporters and “making robo calls to delegates” to last weekend’s Democratic state convention (trying to keep O’Reilly off the ballot), O’Reilly won almost 23 percent of the delegates, well over the 15 percent qualifying mark. Chris Gabrieli, for all his millions, barely squeaked by 15 percent in his quest for governor in 2006.

    O’Reilly is the perfect messenger for all those disappointed Hillaryites, especially the women who want to show Kerry just how angry they are that he accepted women’s work to elect him to four six-year terms, but abandoned the first woman with a serious shot for president.”




  27. Thank you! said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    What a great position paper. I agree wholeheartedly.

    This life-long Demo is going for McCain this time and if he overturns Roe perhaps then women and other sensible people will grow the backbone necessary to stand up for our rights.

  28. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Diamondtiger heard the DNC is moving to Chicago???? Well, IF obama becomes the president, (and that is a pretty big IF), will they be moving the White House to Chicago as well??? The “presumed nominee” certainly does take a lot for granted. Ya think??

  29. marie3548 said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    This is an anti-semitic rant posted on Obama’s website

    For those of us who have been watching the Obama campaign closely, its overt tendencies toward anti-semitism are nothing new. But to many across the nation, and around the world, this has largely gone unnoticed, thanks in part to the media that has repeatedly turned a blind eye.
    Regardless of the color of our skin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or creed; when one of us is singled out we must all stand up together and fight back. I am asking all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation, to sound the alarm to the American Jewish community, and America at large, about the danger posed by the Obama campaign.

    This was found on the Obama website it has been scrubbed now

    And remind them that Obama surrogates have openly attacked members of the Jewish community.

    they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”
    None of us can afford to remain silent. This may be the most urgent Action we publish. Spread it throughout the internet on every blog listed. It is especially vital that non-Jews answer this call. When we stand together, Jew and non-Jew alike, we make the urgency of the matter clear. As Rabbi Hillel said, “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself what am I? If not now, when?” We must be for each other! The when is NOW!

  30. Akron said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Love this site – and will not under any circumstances vote for the presumed Democratic nominee – not even with Hillary on the ticket (which would be hard but) ….

    I think the clue is to keep this in the news – and to make sure McCain wins.

  31. P MALIN said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Roe and Wade is such an non issue. Where have these people been for the past 35 years. The world has truly “changed” with a lot of other options in reproductive technology that are available to women. For people who are meant to be adults to use such scare tactics is beyond me.

  32. TheAlg0rhYthm said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    You deleting posts? Censorship? wow… what hypocrites….

  33. happytohelphill said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    that’s true, p malin, but have you checked out mccain’s record as reported by planned parenthood?


    and he did call his wife a cunt.
    I’m not sure I could vote for someone who would do that, but maybe there’s soomething you all see that I don’t?

  34. happytohelphill said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    TheAlg0rhYthm said,
    on June 13th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    You deleting posts? Censorship? wow… what hypocrites…

    I hope they’re not, that’s something I expect from obamanites

  35. justzisguy said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    TheAlg0rhYthm: what do you expect, forthrightness?

  36. piper in pucci said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    TheAlg0rhYthm & justzisguy,

    i don’t know what either of you are talking about. we don’t censor here. maybe you got us mixed up with one of the other blogs that you frequent.

  37. Misty said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Not sure if you have seen this “No Vote” Petition.

    The petition states,

    We, Democrats and Former Democrats, would like to make our voices heard. We feel that the DNC has unfairly sought to advantage an unqualified junior senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, by words and deeds, throughout this presidential election.

    The voices of millions were silenced because of arbitrary and punitive rules unequally applied from state to state. We feel the DNC has acted in bad faith by maximizing the penalty to advantage one candidate while severely penalizing another.

    In a democracy, we have a right to nominate a candidate that speaks to our own personal requirements for the holder of the highest office in the land.

    We hereby vow to affirm this right in November by rejecting Senator Barack Obama.

  38. on June 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    [...] blank, that fight was winnable, and even if it wasn’t, at least put in the damn effort. As Pucci at Hire Heels says: if the democratic-controlled congress will grow a pair and make abortion a litmus test during [...]

  39. hireheels said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 8:16 pm


    Princess is guilty pucci —- i did get a little quik with the delete button….i’ve already apologized to prince algorythm — he’s the nicest obama supporter — bar none — trust me, it’s the best we’re gonna get —- sorry Prince — forgive Princess — i’m protecting my gals —- they’ve been beat up enuff in this vitriolic Obamabot-laden blogosphere —- can you blame me ??

    So – gals, no time for wimpin’ out —– we’ve got a big story coming out in the Washington Post on Sexism —- i was interviewed for it —- it betta be good!!!! We will keep fighting until we heard —– PERIOD!

  40. BMW said,

    on June 13th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Here’s a great YouTube that will continue to keep your resolve for Hillary…. never doubt what we are fighting for…


  41. on June 14th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Again I love you at hireheels-

    I agree 100% Senator Obama will be a disaster for The LGBT Community. As a member of this community I will not be getting on the Senator Obama bus. I have extreme vertigo and the thought of taking that bus off a cliff scares me.

    I hear you are having a confrence call with the 80 other organizations that are getting together to help us so we can be more effective in our quest to derail Obama at the convention and failing that ensuring a defeat for him in November.

    I am ready to punish my party, as the biased media,”… says take the whole lot of them out behind the barn and take a switch to their bare A**es…”

    We need leaders now and I am glad you at hireheels are taking the charge. As a cuddley bear in the LGBT community I am right there with out till November.please feel free to keep me updated as to what is going on here.
    here is my electoral math prediction:
    (with out Hill in the race of course)
    John McCain 312
    Barak Obama 223
    and Senator Obama has slipped in the polls again 44%-42% some big bump….
    Love you all Fuzzybeargville

  42. Tim4Hillary said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Great post! Also, some are continuing to organize a boycott. From No Quarter – see below.

    Democrats Mobilizing to Hit Networks in the Pocketbook

    A group of Democrats are mobilizing to hit the networks, who have publicly and openly shunned and abused Hillary for Obama’s sake despite gross differences in qualifications for the President position. The group is calling for all women involved to write to advertisers on the stations that should they not remove the advertising content, we will boycott their products.

    This campaign will start June 23rd and will go on until advertisers will start pulling their advertising. Following are some companies which presently run advertising on NBC.
    Contacts to more key advertisers will be provided shortly.

    325 Bic Drive
    Milford, CT 86461
    Marketing Dept.
    Phone: 800-992-6141 marketing department
    Fax to Marketing: 203-876-6687

    Combe Incorporated
    1101 Westchester Ave.
    White Plains, NY 10604
    Telephone: (914) 694-5454
    Toll Free: 800-(873)-7400
    Fax: (914) 461-4402
    Fax for Marketing: 914-461-4170

    Listerine Whitening Strips
    Pfizer Consumer Healthcare
    235 East 42nd Street
    NY, NY 10017
    Phone: 1-212-733-2323
    Use Regular Mail – Attn: Marketing Department/Listerine and the above address

    Wal Mart
    702 S.W. 8th Street
    Bentonville, AR 72716
    Marketing Department 479-273-4111


  43. Appalled said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Gallup national poll shows McCain and Obama, basically, even.


    State-by-state trends are most important. The “JustSayNoDeal.com” effort must continue at the state level to be effective. I believe someone posted here that the Barack Obama campaign is seeking to register more college students to offset the vote of Democrats who may be voting for John McCain in the fall. Hopefully, there will be counter-actions to this.

    PUMA Member
    email: @aol.com">wndrful@aol.com

  44. on June 14th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Hi, I just wanted to point out one thing on that supers list: Gov. Strickland of Ohio says that he would never be Obama’s VP, and he said it in such a strong way that it surprised a lot of people, so I say he is a good guy and should not be on that list.

    Anyway, hello pumas!


  45. pete said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    The oil level in both the gearbox and the rear drive is set by filling to the bottom edge of the filler hole with the bike level. In other words, when oil starts flowing back out of the hole it is full. In the case of the gearbox (transmission), the bike should then be set on the side stand and an additional 0.2 litre (0.21 US qt.) should be added. As far as the crush washers go, they are aluminum, and are designed to yield to form a seal when fully torqued. What this means is that they may look clean and dry, but still may not be sealing properly.

    oops wrong blog!

  46. Heidi Li said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Dear Piper,
    Absolutely everything you wrote in this post makes complete sense. I want to add one legal point: even if Roe v. Wade were overturned that would NOT make it illegal to provide abortion services in the U.S. Furthermore, each state could guarantee a woman’s right to abortion in that state via legislation or amendment of state constitutions.

    On a less technical note, I appreciate your supportive comments about my effort to spearhead a drive to retire Senator Clinton’s primary campaign debt. I have written numerous posts related to this over at Heidi Li’s Potpourri.

    Then today, I received in the mail a fundraising request from Senator Obama. Using his postage prepaid envelope I sent a note politely explaining why I certainly would not be contributing money to him, and almost certainly will not be voting for him, either. I referred him to this specific post on my blog: http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/06/of-arrogance-and-transcendence-post-in_13.html

    Apologies for the lengthy coment – at least I’m on the right blog :)

  47. piper in pucci said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    heidi li–thanks for the legal info. obama supporters need to stop hanging roe v wade over our heads. it’s not working.

    everyone, please heed heidi li’s call and help hillary retire her debt. money talks. if she were to continue to receive donations after suspending her campaign, not only would she not be beholden to Oblahma and the DNC, but it would make news and maybe give SD’s something to think about.

    michael, we love you too. and its good to see you here tim4hillary!

  48. piper in pucci said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    oh, and one more thing heidi li, your comments can be as lengthy and plentiful as you’d like. if you’re lucky, you might even get your own shoe!

  49. on June 14th, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    I have been on a voter registration drive during a campaign season the rate of partisipation in such drives is very low 5-10%.

    If Senator Obama wishes to make up for his 18 million lost opportunity then he will have to register 180 million to 360 million new voters just to replace the 18 million lost. Some Feat in a country with a total population of 300 million.

    I dont think there are enough unregistered and interested voters left to make up any lost Clinton Democrat Votes. Even if you use Axelfraud math, it does not compute.

    Why the sudden change in tactics to party unity? ObamaInc. realizes they do need us all of us.

    Three days ago Senator Obama had a 47-42% lead over Senator McCain did any one notice that his lead evaporated like water in the Saraha. I do not htink the Clinton Democrats are buying the Party Unity thing anymore.

    Love you all Michael (Fuzzybear)

  50. hireheels said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    “….The “JustSayNoDeal.com” effort must continue at the state level to be effective……the Barack Obama campaign is seeking to register more college students to offset the vote of Democrats who may be voting for John McCain…..”

    great point michael – or are u fuzzybear?

    Princess thinks organizing state-by-state is very challenging — it would be like embarking on a whole new campaign — but it raises a great point and reminds us that ObamaDean don’t plan to court us or heal the grand-canyon-like rift in this party….
    anyway – sometimes – if you can grab hold of the media with your campaign—u just may be able to do more damage to their…and, at the same time — attempt to pik up younger voters — hence the hipper brand over at JustSayNoDeal….

    we plan to get very busy and very creative — suggestions needed and welcomed!

  51. hireheels said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    lisadawn — longtime — princess says hi!!!

    no need for thanks — we’re are all in this together — one voice — the voice of “i” justsaynodeal ;-)

  52. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Princess said she is soooooo tired of having Roe V Wade held over her head…..

    Rather conjures up images of the evil, conservative, right-wing justices coming our way, doesn’t it? Well, Dr. Dean Princess is going to hold onto her Stilettos and throw some facts your way…Quote

    “As for Roe vs Wade, you might want to tell people that the man who supported and authored the decision and advocated for it was Harry Blackmun a conservative judge appointed by Richard Nixon.

    Also, the judges who passed the gay-marriage law in California were conservative judges, appointed by republicans who didn’t believe in gay marriage.

    Or you may want to tell these people that the man who struck down the Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. case (lawsuit between intelligent design being allowed in schools) was a republican judge appointed by George W. Bush (who believes in ID), a conservative judge.

    This is just to show that judges don’t rule with the Presidents, or with their own beliefs, they rule with the premise of the law.”

    No use ruining a great pair of heels.

  53. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Michael Fuzzybear: Yes, I heard Carl Rove report the bump was 6 after Senator Clinton suspended. He also reported that the 6 pt bump was also 1/2 of what every other candidate EVER has received after becoming the presumed nominee.

  54. on June 14th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Fuzzybeargville is my nom de plume in the internet world think Chewbacca with an attitude and you have me. I am glad to see Hireheels is a core part of our little rebel alliance……

    Flowerchild2-totally agree if it stays this close through October then in November Senator Obama and his band of barbarians will get a nasty wake up call….then maybe with effort we can retake and remake the party.
    Love Fuzzybergville

  55. hireheels said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    princess loves that idea fuzzywuzzy…..we’ll make our own party!

  56. on June 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    By the way me and my sister in law went shopping together last week end -I a good gay brother in law- and boy the shoes we bought her, its summer in florida and she needed some new summer foot ware – she was an Obamist but now she supports Mr McCain, see the kool aid is not fatal and its effects can be reversed.
    love Fuzzybeargville

  57. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    An antidote to the kool-aid… now that’s a novel idea… Princess, Minx, Piper & A-broad— perhaps it’s time to get out our cauldron and bubble up a potion full of toil and trouble… Anyone else up for stirring some serious pots right under demagogue dean’s nose? We’ll have those zombies sippin’ anti-k out of glass slippers like cristal by the time we’re through! cheers everyone!!!

  58. N. Lee said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 10:54 pm


    New video for your entertainment.
    A promotion for all Hillary supporter sites. You are on it.

  59. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 14th, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    Fab nlee! Keep that creativity flowing, keep the dialogue going— united together the jsnd “coalition” is surging with a force that will affect the course of this election. the difference— we will use the power that is generated from this movement positively and wisely.

  60. on June 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Looking forward to our triumph over the barbarians at the gate-
    Hope you make that koolaid cure in industrial sized packaging we will need it to save all the lost souls-

    I have don a wicked thing and I feel spotless as a lamb


  61. Shez said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Hi Piper! Good post. I’m enjoying the hell out of watching PUMA Power roar and grow by the day. I’d really like to see some strong reframing of some of the defeatest memes I see all over the place. Those memes need to be turned on their head.

    For instance, I keep seeing that Howard Dean doesn’t want Hillary to take it to the convention or put her name on. Since when is that true with no proof? Since when is that only up to Howard, much less to break tradition and protocol? It’s just another haka.

    When we hear that we need to be instantly snarling right back loudly: “like hell! watch us. Howard Dean took it to the convention for himself (just like every other man has) in 2004 with only 103.5 delegates (2.4% of delegates, 5.7% of popular vote) which he did NOT release until the first day. Howard has no room to talk nor an ethical leg to stand on.”
    Go here for a quick review of the 2004 convention: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/D.phtml

    I myself have had it with all of them. I don’t believe a word coming from any of them. I laugh, and mock them, when Obots come up with their ridiculous statements and tactics, they hate that. When I see certain statements they make I don’t try to defend Hillary, I throw it on the offense right back at them. Remember the ‘she needs to release her tax statements’? My response was always “NO, he really needs to release his IL senate records before you even worry about her very public tax statements available for years now. You are trying to deflect the important issues. Where’s his senate records? What is he hiding and WHY?”

    Works everytime. They get flustered. I know there is absolutely nothing he can do to get me to vote for him. Not going to happen. I’m going to make sure a Michigan chapter of PUMA grows all summer long. Getting ready to retool an old Michigan netroots blog I have. First order of business is to get rid of the word ‘netroots’ that I want no part of and come up with a better name.

  62. on June 15th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    My response to the Obamabot harange for “Party Unity”:

    “I am sorry my refusal to support Senator Obama in the Genaral Election is not up for discussion. I cannot be cajoled, harrassed, or guilted into changing my mind. If you would like to discuss us working on down ticket support of the party to increase democratic control of the congress I am open and look forward to such a discussion.”

    Their response: dumb looks are still free

    Love from your fav Wookie-Fuzzybeargville

  63. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Is anyone who participated in the conference call with McCain going to post? News reported McCain said he would appoint women to his cabinets. Did anyone ask about Roe vs. Wade and get any clarification on that?

  64. on June 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Flowerchild2 seems McCain wanted to have it both ways from what I hear – but he did not say that Pro-Life would be a litmus test for his judicial appointments-Its the best we could hope for I think.

    I know missed opportunity fro McCain but Look we cant let them hold RvW over us stay strong-


  65. on June 15th, 2008 at 1:17 pm


    We already know that Jihadist Obama HUSSEIN is not QUALIFIED to be the President, we now know that he is not ELIGIBLE to be President under American law. This is a great comment to a post over at Michelle Malkin’s blog:
    On June 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am, legendx3 said:

    Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

    *** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…

    DAWG! This guy really is about flaunting his illegal behavior in all of our faces, isn’t he?

  66. Will Bower said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Hello, Flower Child.

    Will Bower (from PUMA and from JustSayNoDeal.com) here.

    I was at said meeting, and Fuzzy Bear describes it fairly accurately.

  67. on June 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    with reguard to McCains birth He was born in the Canal zone in a Military hospital at an overseas base these locations are like embassy’s soveriegn US Territory being born there would be the same as being born in Bethesda Naval Hospital.

    I think focusing on Senator Barak Obama’s elligiblity to be President is a red Herring distributed to distract us from the job of Keeping him out of the white house.

    If there was a real challenge to his being able to legally hold the office then some one would be presuing this through the courts.

    Love Fuzzybeargville

  68. Kitty said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    with regard to the SDs follow the money. They supported him because he gave them ridiculous sums of money from his PAC for their campaigns. I think so far he’s given close to 700,000.00.Remember a lot of these are state and local races where a few thousand here and there makes a HUGE difference. Of course it’s wrong and undemocratic, but apparently that’s the New DNC! WooHoo!

  69. Kitty said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Awesome site by the way. I have always enjoyed mixing my fashion and politics:)

  70. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Thanks Kitty. It appears that it is now fashionable to be part of politics. :) Will and Fuzzyb: sista signed up (per their website) to be on said call yesterday but was never contacted with the particulars… hmmm… perhaps because my question to the Senator was pointedly focused on R v. W. In any case what was the general tenor of the call? Inquiring heels would like to know.
    – scl

  71. on June 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    My point with Senator McCain and I am only 90% sure I am going to vote for him (100% sure I will not vote for Senator Obama)is John McCain a raw deal for us too…but if it is a scarifice on our part for the greater good then we have to accept that we are going to have to suffer a little ourselves. Or pain with Sen. McCain will be less than our pain with Sen. Obama-I am sure it hurts to be thrown under the bus, even though I have had it happen to me yet.


  72. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Fuzzybear and Will: Thanks for the update. As long as McCain did not say he would try to over turn it. That would turn a lot of women off. Did anyone ask him tough questions on gay rights?

  73. Victor said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Just want to get this straight – you guys speak of mysogyny and most of that came from the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and other folks from the right (they compared Hillary to a nagging wife). Only after her concession speech did they start “backing” her. Her policies had far more in common with Obama than McCain.

    But… you all are voting for McCain based on spite. Awesome! I’m loving this. The world needs more hero worshipping sheep like you democrats. I’m voting for McCain because I’m a conservative Republican and this is the best news I’ve read. And, just in case you’re wondering, no – this post isn’t a “reverse psycology” thing. I really do want you to vote for McCain (or don’t vote at all – whatever).

  74. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    justzisguy is back.

  75. on June 15th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    With regard to gay rights I liked how respectful he was to Ellen on her show. I think it contrast nicely with the Bush you are invisible. Yes he was uncomfortable with the subject matter, so is my mom who still love me.

    I think he will not hurt the moovement. That he did not openly campaign for Arizonia’s anti gay marriage amendment shows me he is uncomforable with writing discrimination into the constitution, that makes him Ok in my book.


  76. on June 15th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    victor I believe tha obamabot troll site is ObamaforAmerica.com, As Glenda the good witch said “be gone you have no powers here…..before someone drops a house on you!”

    And if you are really a McCain follower(which I Doubt) follow your leaders lead and court us with respect. You come off as a died in the wool Obamist.


  77. vangoghing said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Given the manipulative trickery of the primaries, I don’t trust that my contributions don’t go to hopeydopey, so I send them snail mail directly to Senator Clinton:

    WASHINGTON DC 20510-3202

  78. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Fuzzybear: Oh, good. I am glad to hear that you don’t think he will hurt the movement. My brother is gay so I was concerned about.

  79. USAPROUD said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 am Said:



  80. Mark Woods said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 3:19 am

    This site is just TOO FABULOSO!!!

    Well done! Hireheels . . . is it a stiletto fetish or a drag queen’s dream – it’s both and it’s even more — it’s a grass root explosion of folks saying, ‘Where’s the outrageous?’ (tastefully presented in cyber-pink, no less) Ooo-la-la!

    Tres chic, mes enfants! Sign me up!!! Where’s the parade?

    I’m ready to protest — let me dust off my best feather boa and

    WE’RE OFF!!! Wheeee! Let’s bring down the DNC!

  81. Heidi Li said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 4:57 am

    It IS my Party and if chooses to ignore me, I shall ignore it until it can be reformed.

    Most of my closest pre-campaign friends either favored Senator Obama or at least regarded him as a an acceptable candidate. Most have not engaged as intensely as I have with this campaign season. Most cannot understand why I will not “stop beating a dead horse” (to quote one friend) by objecting to Senator Obama as the Democratic nominee. After all, with it so clear that Senator Obama will in fact be the nominee, they comment, why fuss? Others, who share my distaste for Senator McCain’s policies, express opinions ranging from puzzlement to anger that I could even consider withholding my vote from the Democratic contender.

    Many of my “campaign friends”, the many fine people I have come to know through my recent political activities, urge that I vote for Senator McCain. These friends object to Senator Obama’s positions and to his character. They mistrust Senator Obama, regard him as arrogant, manipulative, unreliable, untrustworthy and ungracious (to say the least to Senator Clintons supporters). I share many of their opinions.

    The precampaign friends tend to know little or nothing about my ongoing effort to retire Senator Clinton’s debt; many are tired of hearing about Senator Clinton or about the primary season in general and some are not excited by the general election. Since I try not to be a crashing bore, I don’t advertise my unwavering commitment to retiring Senator Clinton’s debt to these friends. And since many have not followed the ins and outs of the nominating process, they do not want to listen to a detailed explanation of the various ways in which the D.N.C. leadership and Senator Obama himself have thus far gamed the party’s system to make Senator Obama the presumptive nominee.

    The campaign friends certainly know about my drive to retire the debt. They have rallied around this cause, spreading the word far and wide. (More information about that over at http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/) They share my excitement as, bit by bit, we make a dent in that debt. These friends rarely tire of discussing the latest appalling actions by Dr. Dean, Speaker Pelosi, Senator Reid, and Senator Obama.

    Regardless of their differences with regard to both politics and to my own actviities this year, both sets of friends adopt a view toward voting in the general election that is fundamentally guided by consequentialist reasons. Those who dread the state of affairs in which we end up with President McCain cannot understand why I am not planning to vote for Senator Obama even if I have “hold my nose” (again to quote a friend) while doing so. Those who dread the scenario that winds up with President Obama have difficulty accepting that I will not vote for Senator McCain – although it must be said that these friends have been far more understanding and tolerant of my disagreement with them than the friends who are dissatisfied with my view that unless and until Senator Obama actually earns my vote, he will not have it.

    At the end of the day, the precampaign friends who truly care how I in particular vote should be glad that I myself choose abstention rather than that I opt for Senator McCain or for Senator Obama,if these are indeed the alternatives come November. Because if somebody told me that I simply had to pick one or the other, that I could not reject both, I might well pull the lever for Senator McCain, although I most definitely would be holding my nose while doing it. My reason: I simply cannot vote for a candidate chosen by what so far has indeed been a corrupt Democratic nomination process. I will not endorse that perversion. Even if I regarded Senator Obama more highly than I do, the ends do not justify the means by which the Democratic Party is trying to promote him.

    That ends-justify-the means sort of reasoning characterize the current administration: it is a style of thought that can slide one down a slope pretty fast. President Bush uses it to justify torture, for example. And Senator Obama’s supporters seem to use it to justifying their bullying and threatening to get all Democrats to shut up and fall in line. I say: no thank you. Certain means are simply unacceptable.

  82. on June 16th, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Hello everyone.

    I wanted to let you all know about some big things going on with the Hillary / PUMA Party movement.

    PUMAParty.Com recently launched a combination of tools to help everyone spread the word and support causes related to Hillary, PUMA and anything else relevant

    There are now over 425 members on the forums and many more are registering daily to show their support. There are sections to organize, network and take action. Time is limited so any suggestions or info you could share would be awesome.

    Also, at the same website you can now get your very own PUMA Party Blog in a few seconds. Use it to post your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, press releases or anything else you feel is important. Each blog is linked from the homepage that receives thousands of hits per day.

    I have also been notified by the admins there that they are willing to do anything they can to help the various causes related to PUMA etc. including spreading press releases to supporters, starting forum sections so that supporters of individual causes can network with the overall user base, fundraising efforts or anything else they can help with.

    I hope you’ll all stop by and say hello and help us move forward.

    Thanks for a wonderful site, I will ask them to add it to the link section if it’s not there already. Please link back if possible.


    Talk to you all soon,


  83. Flowerchild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 7:30 am

    Fox just reported that the Obama camp is saying they don’t need FL or OH to win. Obama will focus on GA and VA instead. Brian Kilmeade asked if this isn’t the same as conceding the states, and that Clinton would have won FL hands down. True!!! Basically they concluded he is giving up in both states; his plan is to register new voters among the Black and student populations. Appears to me that with all their boasting, Obama and the democrats are not all that sure of winning. Personally, I don’t know how he would win PA. I was on the Philadelpia on-line newspapers during that campaign, and those people were sick of Obama. They complained about the constant ads, demonstrated in front of his campaign office, and 100 Mayors signed a letter telling Obama he is not their nominee.

  84. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    This is not a positive thing you’re doing. I can see why the loss must hurt, you gals put your hearts and souls into the fight for Hillary Clinton’s chance at the Presidency. But I cannot see how pushing support to McCain is going to support your goals. Nor do I feel that, given the situation there is really any cause for the sort of anger that is being spewed towards Barack Obama, other than the hangover of what was an excessively negative campaign by Mrs. Clinton. (Which she herself admitted, waving around his kindergarten records and justified it by saying that’s what is going happen when the Republican machine gets started) But to move from Clinton to McCain because of bitterness over losing a primary election, is a failure to acknowledge that what is at stake is continuing down a path of death and destruction for profit, as our country crumbles a little further.

    I would never deny that there were irresponsible and misogynistic remarks made by members of the press, but to claim the election was stolen, or whatever, is without basis, and if there is basis, perhaps more of the discussion should be about establishing that basis and publicizing it.
    I will address the biggest one: Florida and Michigan. Howard Dean disbarred Florida and Michigan to help Obama, it’s ridiculous, says Terry McAuliffe, former head of the DNC. Except that he set the precedent, backing down states in a previous election, by threatening to do the same thing. Hillary agreed with the disinterment of the states before the primaries, and SIGNED a pledge supporting that.

    Indiana.. the district that reported late…. she lost, by something like four percentage points, in what was a primarily black district Obama was expected to landslide.

    You see the younger man, less experienced, getting the nod, over a more qualified, experienced woman, and that resonates with the experiences you’ve had in corporate america(mine too, though the black experience is pretty similar in that regard)
    If you are going to respond to my post, please, answer me a couple of quick questions about that.

    How many full terms has either of the two senators served?

    Does that make them junior or senior senators?

    How many times has each of them been elected to a public office?

    Would any of you promote someone in your company even partially based upon their time as the spouse of someone in a similar job, or would you discount them for putting that on their resume?

    Would Hillary Clinton be a Senator, if her husband had not been President ?

    If you respond to the questions, I’ll answer any you have.

    That’s even more fair and balanced than Fox is. :-)

  85. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Thanks for your comments as always algo. perhaps hillary did benefit from some coattails in the beginning (although I personally don’t subscribe to that theory). Let’s remember however— she is on her second term. She was voted in for said second term and won by a large percentage. I’m sure if the NY voters were not pleased with her job performance, they would not have re-”hired” her.

  86. hireheels said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Prince Algorythm — though u are my fav obamabot – and in only this instance i mean that affectionately) i, too must disagree ….

    Hillary was positioned in the MEDIA as the estabishment candidate – she didn’t position herself that way — the media did — this is the worst characterization to have for a prez elex – that said, how ironic that it was the establishment that took her down in the end…..as in the DNC establishment — we pumas will never, never forget this!

  87. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Hillary Clinton would have been president before her husband had women been allowed to move in that direction. To say that Hillary got into politics due to her husband, proves you know NOTHING ABOUT HER AT ALL!!

    Senator Clinton won the state of NY by a 67% majority. She went into areas that were Republican strong holds, they got to know her and they loved her. Unlike Obama, who doesn’t like small groups, Senator Clinton does well as does McCain when voters direct questions to them, personally Obama, to date, seems to avoid these types of settings. When Obama changed from the large college rally’s to the personal setting of OH, PA, I knew he was not going to win.

    We know what Hillary’s strength’s are. What I want to know is what are Obama’s strength(s). International experience, economy, military experience, job creation, education. What has he done to make him qualified to be the next leader of the free world. I have searched and searched, and I find no basis for any of the claims he makes. So….you tell us. Why should we vote for him? I can’t think of one reason. Our country has never elected a 1 year jr. senator. Unbelievable.

  88. hireheels said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    (prince A – that was princess wears prada dishin’)

  89. glennmcgahee said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    For Algo and other visitors,
    we’re not here just because we are women. I am a man btw. We are here because the best and most qualified candidate was defeated bythe party through an illegitimate process that disenfranchised voters whether through the scheduling rules or the extremely flawed caucus system or the municipalities that were awarded delegates disproportianately because of political considerations that made some people’s vote count more than others. The Obama movement is more of a social group where belonging to the group means more than solving America’s problems. This country is experiencing an emergency. The pundits and media allowed a man to take office for the last 2 terms that was inexperienced and out of touch with the country. We don’t have time for an experiment now. We had a candidate that is ready for the job right now. Its no wonder that Obama does well with the youth. They don’t know better. They don’t know that we older voters have heard all these soundbites that Obama uses in speeches before. Many times before. All things to all people. If the media did their job. You would see the contradictions of what Obama says. We know better and now, alot of us are determined not to let this get by unnoticed again. If Obama claims that he will not have lobbyists or Washington insiders in his administration. Where did Jim Johnson of Countywide Mortage come in? He’s gonna need some Washington insiders or else we’re all in trouble. Jimmy Carter? Read about him young people. I liked the man but he was ineffective and damaging as President.

  90. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    glennmcgahee – you commented on Jimmy Carter…yes he was a good man, but ineffective; not presidential material. How did I know that at that young age? I let my husband convince me to vote for Carter, but I really wanted to vote for Ford. It was against my better judgement, and I cried when Ford lost because I knew he should be the President. I had made a mistake. I vowed never to make the same mistake twice. My negative feelings and assessment of Obama are in high gear – worse than Carter. This is Jimmy Carter all over again. Maybe that previous experience makes it easier for me to vote McCain than other people. I decided way in advance that if the situation ever comes up again, I would vote Republican. As is, my vote goes to McCain.

  91. Orange said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Videos that canbe used to further inform the electorate to say Nobama Noway

    No Deal: Join The Coalition of Millions


    Hillary Clinton: We’ve Come a Long Way, Baby!

    Fractured Fairy Tales

    We are Mad

    A Call To Arms For White People Of Truth

    Obamas’ Don’t Pay Child Support

    Urgent message to Senator Hillary Clinton

    Damn Barack Hussein Obama

    Dem 4 mc cain

    Obama Cult

    Urgent message to Senator Hillary Clinton

    Sexy Barack Hussein Obama – He makes this look gooood

    The CHANGE MAKER – Friends of Barack Obama


  92. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    I think, at the end of the questions you would probably conclude that neither of them has much experience. The only bill I can name that Obama co sponsored is the government transparency act, and the website that resulted from that act was complete crap, that doesn’t explain anything about our spending.
    This one, I think, does a much better job, and explains where it gets all of it’s numbers.
    According to that website, we spend 54% of the government budget on miltary spending, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, veterans benefits and the interest on the national debt due to past wars. Why we have yet to find a solution in Afghanistan and gotten out I don’t know, why we went to Iraq I never had a clear picture in the first place. We spend $100 Billion a year or about 100,000 million dollars, for what is a ground war, with 100,000 troops. So we are spending a million dollars for every single soldier in Iraq? No, actually most of that money goes to line the pockets of defense contracting companies, some of which finally ends up in the pockets of upper middle and upper class individuals who buy defense, who then get a little less angry about the fact that our Vice-President who pushed us in there is making bank for each additional day there. So a few thousand mothers have to care for suddenly one-legged children in Iraq,
    That’s the major reason I voted for Barack Obama. I don’t want to vote for a candidate who is complicit in that nonsense, and the reasons for war were always bogus, and Hilary Rodham Clinton never apologized for that vote, the most important BY FAR of her career, the one to end lives, and spend gigatons of cash.

    Can anyone give me an example of a vote that is more important?

    That is the responsibility of the Congress to make those decisions, and for far too long we have made the wrong ones, and I do not believe we can tolerate any more of those. Possibly had Obama been in the Senate then, he would have gotten carried away on the tide of opinion and voted for it too, instead of holding a rally against. But he wasn’t he didn’t and he did do the most he could have at the time. Nor has she really changed her theme, threatening to “obliterate Iran” I had a pretty Iranian girl stay on my floor last weekend, who helps HIV patients at a clinic, and couldn’t help but to think Hillary Clinton could speak so casually about destroying millions of people like her.
    The election rules need to be changed. They do… I don’t think we should lose 1 year out of every four to progress only to the point where we know who the chief executive is.. how about 1-3 three days a state vote and move on, all the candidates at the same rallys, done in 3 months, then back to work.

    But the rules were the same for both candidates, and the reasons people wanted this over was not because she was a woman, but because the best possible scenario for her was to barely lose the delegate count, something admitted by her campaign. Months later, and a hard fought, and very bitter battle, millions of dollars later, and it turns out, yep, the math was right. And you are right, the party is not as unified as could be, but is that because of deliberate disenfranchisement of women, or because sometimes it isn’t just men who stubbornly don’t listen when people are saying something they don’t want to hear?
    I’m not asking you to give a free pass to Obama, but I am asking you to ask yourself if you have given him the same chance you have given Hillary Clinton, or if you have found in her a metaphor for all of the misogyny and repression you have endured.
    Princess wants a revolution…The new face of feminism, Higher for Heels, lets get our piece, ladies, we need to have our voices at the table, these men need us.
    You know what I have to say about that……

    Princess wants a revolution…The new face of feminism, Higher for Heels, lets get our piece, ladies, we need to have our voices at the table, these men need us.
    You know what I have to say about that……

  93. piper in pucci said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    “I would never deny that there were irresponsible and misogynistic remarks made by members of the press…”

    would you deny ones made by your candidate? ones such as ‘attending tea parties’, ‘claws come out’, ‘sweetie’, ‘periodically, whenever she’s feeling down, she says these things in order to ‘boost her appeal’…

    would you deny the negative campaigning of your candidate’s staff: ‘say or do anything to win’, ‘D-Punjab’, ‘examine her tears’, the pushing of the racist meme in the SC memo, the pushing of Olbermann’s ‘special comment’ about RFK…

    your guy is not ‘teh messiah’. he’s a pol, just like hillary. don’t pretend that he was all sweetness and light throughout the campaign. he wasn’t. hillary took responsibility for her campaign’s negativity. obama threw his staff under that very crowded bus of his.

    do not get me started on florida and michigan. the four-state pledge was not to campaign in those states. you know who broke the pledge? obama. he ran commercials there and held a presser in tampa/st pete on sept 30. a strict application of ‘teh rulez’ would have stripped him of all of his delegates in florida, but we know how those pesky rulez are applied when it comes to obama.

    and explain to me how someone gets given delegates when they took their own name off of a ballot?

    the bottom line is that i lay just as much blame on obama as i do the deanc for the florida and michigan debacle. he could have agreed to revotes and made us whole. he didn’t because he knew he would lose. he chose his own ambitions over the democratic principles of our country. that’s not what i want in a leader.

    yes, hillary would have been elected senator if bill wasn’t president. she had plenty of education and accomplishments of her own. and although uhc failed, she was instrumental in helping with the irish peace process, and the passing of schip and the family medical/leave act. i’d hire anyone with those things on their resume.

    i understand your point that obama has been in elected office longer than hillary, but do you know how he got there? i do. do you know what he’s done since he’s been there? i don’t. it seems to me like once he gets elected, he starts immediately running for a higher office.

    i appreciate your concern for us ‘gals’, Alg0rhYthm. it is duly noted. and i’m not telling anyone to support mccain. i’m just telling people that the leap to do so isn’t as big as one would think.

  94. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    The greatest story I heard was in an interview with a friend of Hillary’s from her college days at Wellesley – - Hillary was the speaker of her graduating class. Her speech was so moving and directed at the times, that she brought the house down. Everyone stood, cheered and applauded. People kept going up to HIllary’s mother and said, , “that girl is going to be President someday.”

  95. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    I can think of few things we need more, than a movement to make women’s voices heard in this country, and I can think of few groups of people better to do it than politically motivated women in marketing and advertising like the women in Higher for Heels. God, my world is so much better when I take a woman’s opinion. We absolutely need more of a woman’s perspective in every decision— it is a different perspective, generally, though when I try to describe how we see the world differently I inevitably put my foot in my mouth, something I will gladly do when we begin that long needed gender conversation, as much as we need to continue the race conversation. Already it has begun to bear fruit… Someone had the idea that there should be a network, looking to identify potential female leaders earlier, and pushed towards public service, and that’s one of the best ideas I’ve ever heard. People are best lead by example, and they follow most closely those who resemble themselves. That will be a shining legacy of this Hillary Clinton run for President of the United States…. That there is no surprise that women can be President. The energy is there now, and need for the voices to be focused is clear, and there is no better time to start than a Jesus Jones inspired right here, right now, with a refocusing of the energies towards the positive.
    Pakistan, a country where women have to be covered head to toe(something I think would be as horrible for the men as women) has had a female leader of the country before the United States. Every company I’ve ever been in the highest ranking deadwood is always some white guy who cares more about his ego than doing the job right, and usually the worse he is the more he wants to push you (yeah, it doesn’t just affect women) The corporate or government reality is usually His Story and that needs to change. The flip side of that is though, sometimes, I have found that women have gotten mad about things they thought were really important, but really only said as kind of a maybe suggestion, or to one person and not another, instead of making sure that their opinion is heard loudly enough that people take notice, and that, also needs to change.
    It has to be not about whatever it takes to win…we must cut through the spin, understand ourselves and others and look to help each other find the best way forward. That means seeking out different perspectives than our own, rather than simply huddling where we feel our opinions are safe. Acknowledging opposing view points, and admitting the points that gave you pause, and where, maybe your views have changed a little bit. Addressing the parts that are wrong or incomplete. It should be easy, once the point of debate stops being winning, and starts being making it right. That is the concept that is at the core of democracy…

    Getting away from this concept of hero worship, the chants of O-bam-a or Hill-ary, and having real discussions about their pro’s and cons, rather than presenting one-sided spin of our own (isn’t it bad enough the networks do it) is key as well, and remembering that our founding fathers wanted each of us to be responsible for bettering our country, since our country was founded by individuals wanting a better way for themselves. Since I have been doing more bashing.. I’ll start with the cons of the candidate I voted for…. I read the Audacity of Hope, and while I found many brilliant insights, I left it with a strong impression of elitism. I recently re-read a random 10 pages—- same thing. I didn’t like the sweetie comment, more than the sexism(anybody who has listened to Michelle Obama isn’t too worried about that) it seemed like more of the same elitism. I don’t like that there is no significant legislative work progressing right now…. has he forfeited his Senate seat and pay? Is there any ground work you can lay as a Senator for your potential Presidency? I don’t like closed door meetings with world power brokers CFR, etc that anyone in our government seems to have these days. I don’t know how you can meaningfully propose anything about our foreign wars without spending time there, educate me and the country on it so we can see it without the spin cycle.

    your turn…..

    a more perfect union is the goal…

  96. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    “misogyny and repression you have endured” I have endured far less than my mother and grandmothers. Perhaps we are not explaining this to you as simply as it is; perhaps the media is once again slanting the basis for our decision – - I can describe the basis for many many of as in three words…..


  97. on June 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    hello fuzzy short not at lunch keep up good work here at hire heels when is the Justsaynodeal interview going to be on MSM?

    Love Fuzzybeargville

  98. on June 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    hello fuzzy short not at lunch keep up good work here at hire heels when is the Justsaynodeal interview going to be on MSM?

    Love Fuzzybeargville

  99. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Just a thought…..if Senator Clinton was not a female candidate, would we be having this conversation now. All through my years of voting, crossing over to the “other side” has always existed. We didn’t have this discussion when prior to those “Reagan” Democrats.
    Why the big surprize now? Why all the fuss and holler because democrats don’t want to vote for the democratic nominee? Certainly you can’t conclude that the Republicans have held the White House 28 out of the past 40 years, because ALL democrats voted democrat? Just a thought…

  100. piper in pucci said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    “That’s the major reason I voted for Barack Obama. I don’t want to vote for a candidate who is complicit in that nonsense, and the reasons for war were always bogus, and Hilary Rodham Clinton never apologized for that vote, the most important BY FAR of her career, the one to end lives, and spend gigatons of cash….. Possibly had Obama been in the Senate then, he would have gotten carried away on the tide of opinion and voted for it too, instead of holding a rally against. But he wasn’t he didn’t and he did do the most he could have at the time…”

    stop using the AUMF vote as an excuse. just.stop.it. it wasn’t a vote for war. it was a vote to allow the inspectors to go in and do their jobs. obama had no access to the information that hillary, edwards, kerry, daschle, biden, dodd, et al had. (oh, and she was fully briefed on what was in the nie, so don’t go there either) it was very easy for him to make his 2002 speech from a liberal suburb of chicago. but what else did he do to stop the drumbeats of war? i’ll defer to jersey girl kristen breitweiser on that one: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-breitweiser/where-were-you-in-02-bu_b_90938.html)

    “Now forgive me, but I do not recall the help (or the voice) of any Barack Obama from Illinois. Indeed, I cannot recall hearing or feeling the impact of any one speech from the Illinois Senator. Did he attend the rally on the mall in Washington? The marches and protests in NYC? Did he conduct national press interviews? Did he write any editorials? Organize any protest rallies? Mobilize the people? Did he write any petitions? If he did, I never saw any of them.”

    This is Bush’s war. Not Hillary’s. stop blaming her for it.

    hi glennmcgahee–i always enjoyed your comments at TM. I’m glad to see that you’ve joined us here.

  101. FlowerChild2 said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 4:01 pm


    But in a sign of the urgency to raise campaign cash, Rendell said Obama didn’t want to reschedule tonight’s fundraiser, even though the governor warned him that many Philadelphia donors were headed to the New Jersey shore for the weekend. Rendell said Obama told him: “We don’t need the people. We just need the checks.”

  102. on June 16th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    Ed Rendell just elegraphed to all the casey/reagan democrats it is ok to leave the ranch and vote Senator McCain, because “this dog wont hunt” this dog being Senator Obama and the hunt being democratic victory in November.

    Pretty subtle hugh?


  103. hireheels said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 7:34 pm


  104. on June 16th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    I am answering you question-by email dont want to tip a hand to early-fuzzybeargville

  105. on June 16th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I am sending you an email now to the person who just emailed me about above-fuzzybear

  106. on June 16th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    hireheels did you get my last?

  107. on June 16th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    and my analysis services are avail to you for free-fuzzybeargville-I think we need a war room too it worked for clinton in 1992….


  108. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    fuzzy we wuv u. tell us more!!!

  109. on June 16th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Sista-sorry fuzzy had to walk for his heart I am back have you seen the email i sent to hireheels? if she thinks its helpful could she send it to riverdaughter and others up the chain. if icould get more info on coments being made in public by some of the supers who switched fm clinton to obie-none-funokie I might be able to read between lines….I think we have allies out there among the supers more than we think i just need more info to look at.

    There may be an underground out there feeding us info we dont know about?


  110. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Piper.. thanks for the regurgitation of Hillary’s campaign line. The vote was to give George Bush the ability to go to war, effectively allowing him to make the decision. If you cannot understand that part of the job of a Senator is to make the decisions like the ones to go to war, perhaps you need a lesson in the constitution. What was being in the know? Did they tell her that there were no WMD’s? Did she really believe Saddam Hussein could attack us here in “45 minutes”. If she can’t take responsibility for her votes how would she have the audacity to ask for anymore? Here’s a thought, why don’t we obliterate Iran?

  111. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 16th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    experience experience experience

    How does a junior senator ( in her second term) claim the right of experience, her second elected office, ever. Would she be a US senator if her husband hadn’t been President?

    Absolutely not.

    Saying being First Lady is experience of being the president is like saying you would take open heart surgery from your cardiologist’s ex-husband, since he was with her through medical school/

  112. on June 16th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    alg0rythm-as glenda the good witch says “be gone you have no powers here….before someone drops a house on you and your little candidate too…”


  113. blynn said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    I’m not mad at Obama, it’s the “Party” I’m angry with. I’m not voting for McCain! I’m going to fight and raise hell to do just what Obama claims he can do. I’m going to make “Change”! I was a child who marched in protest lines for my right to vote; I stood in long lines exercising that right then in 2000 I discovered with pain and horror that my vote never mattered. I will not allow my vote to not be counted. Regardless of who you are supporting, this is not a win. This is a loss one that far out weighs who wins the general election. In 2000 we passive, aggresively accepted Al Gore giving in for the “good of the nation” and look at the condition our country is in today. The voice of the people was ignored. These SD need to be more than pressured. WE the stiffs getting kicked around by the donkey are the real power of the Dem Party not the SD. These are the people WE put into office, whose salaries we pay even from our unemployment checks. Even with their congressional majority little has been done to correct all the many problems blunders and disregard for the people of this nation or of this “Party”. These are the people who tell us to stand in line to vote then later, tell us who we will be voting for. BA-ba-ba, the shepards lead the sheep. Hell NO this is our party and we need to take it back. If you are an Obama supporter then make sure your delegates make changes at the convention so that this never happens again. If you are a Hillary supporter, keep working getting those write-ins. If you are a Hillary supporter who has decided to vote for Mc Cain, let’s at least make it fair and write in Mitt; he was the better of the two Republ.Come on people, this country was founded on rebellion not for the “good of the crown”. For the “Good of the Nation” let us stand up and fight. Let’s take back our party and take back our nation. (or, we can just say “ba-ba-ba!)

  114. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 4:50 am

    Blyn: Bravo! thank you! And Alg0: I respectfully disagree.
    Keep it up pumas (and others). Our country’s future is too important to let this dialogue die. The more individuals who participate, for whatever reason— the better chance we have of fixing this severely broken process. Our votes are our voices and united those voices are getting loud. Let’s make them louder still! perhaps… a roar for real and actual change. Get some sleep cyber cats. This puma needs you awake, alert and ready to pounce (if nec).

  115. piper in pucci said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 5:33 am

    Alg0rhYthm-did you listen to hillary’s speech on the floor of the senate? she said this is not a vote for war. i don’t know what she honestly believed, and neither do you. neither one of us was privvy to the intelligence that she and the other 29 Democratic senators, including Kerry, Edwards, Dodd, Biden, and Daschle, had been given. but I suppose that you’re okay with their votes. did you take a hard line against kerry in 2004 and not vote for him based on his vote for this legislation?

    i was against the war in 2002 as well, not because of anything that i knew about Iraq and WMDs, but because i’m generally against war. it was a lonely time to be an anti-war supporter. but i will not hold this vote against any of these senators. this is bush’s doing, and i lay the blame squarely on him.

  116. on June 17th, 2008 at 6:39 am

    brava blynn sista & piper brava blynn sista & piper i could not have said it beter myself- good morning all the fight continues. PS Gays and Lesbian can now get married in California. There is a nice article at the conflu by garychapelhill. Phylis and Del two of the founders of the Daughters of Bilitis-one of the 1st lesbian activist groups in the Macarthyist 1950′s- are after 50+ years finally legally get to wed. I almost wanted to cry, talk about a reveloution-

    As garthbrooks said-when we can love anyone we chose, when the world is big enough for for all different views, when we can all worship from our own kid of pews-we shall be free! we shall be free stand straight walk proud we shall be free….

    this message of REAL hope and change was brought to you by the state of california and the california supreme court……


  117. piper in pucci said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 7:01 am

    fuzzybearjville–i love it. it’s a great day when two people, any two people, who love each other can make a sacred bond to live as one. thanks gavin for getting this party started.

    fbj (I hope it’s not too early in our relationship to start using abbreviations)- im in jville. if we put ourselves together, we’ll make one whole voter!

  118. on June 17th, 2008 at 7:05 am

    piper you can call me anything you want except a an Obama supporter…Hope hireheels shared my email with you….about the ed rendell comment above….I think we justsaynodeal folks need to start doing some intel out there we have friends in high places-


  119. piper in pucci said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 7:31 am

    thanks fbg–i’ll get it from princess. i’d love to know what ed is thinking. i’ve got a friend who thinks rendell will be O’s veep choice. (i think it will be webb or some other military type.)

  120. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 7:35 am

    Good morning. What’s new pussy cats? I see my favorite activists have already been active today. Fuzzy I’ll be doing some research. Keep it up all and let us know what’s happing in the b-sphere and out on the streets.
    – scl

  121. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    I would love Ed to be veep… I like that guy… and normally, the answers that come from him sound fair, and I’ve heard him say he’d like to see a candidate say no more military aid, though I doubt he’d repeat that outside the locker room.

    No, Piper, I campaigned for Kerry, for months. Because it was the Bush alternative…. my favorite in that election was Dean :)
    You live and you learn though, and you see more, and you get tired of voting for the same sorts of people who should be leading the way and are instead wasting time on trivialities, and going with the flow instead of asking what the hell is going on?
    I did not see Hillary’s speech on the floor… but I do know she voted against a different version of the resolution that would have required President Bush to bring a vote in Congress before dropping bombs.

  122. Alg0rhYthm said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Mr. Marvel, you are a shining example of why our country has problems functioning. There is no debate, there is really no thought. There is only rationalization, for decisions we made internally, a set of four rational points opposing your stance becomes the two you can answer, or in some cases a random reference that amounts to putting your fingers in your ears.

  123. Rey said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Just wanted to share this with you ladies.

    Your Social Security
    Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know this. It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to your kids. They need a little history lesson on what’s what . And it doesn’t matter whether you are Democrat of Republican. Facts are facts!!!
    Our Social Security

    Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
    Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

    1.) That participation in the Program would be
    completely voluntary.

    2.) That the participants would only have to pay
    1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
    incomes into the Program,

    3.) That the money the participants elected to put
    into the Program would be deductible from
    their income for tax purposes each year,

    4.) That the money the participants put into the
    Independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the
    General Operating Fund, and therefore, would
    only be used to fund the Social Security
    Retirement Program, and no other
    government program, and,

    5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees
    would never be taxed as income.

    Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are
    now receiving a Social Security check every month —
    and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of
    the money we paid to the federal government to ‘put
    away’, you may be interested in the following:


    Q: Which political party took Social Security from the
    Independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the
    General Fund so that Congress could spend it?

    A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically-
    controlled House and Senate.


    Q: Which political party eliminated the income tax
    deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

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  124. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

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  125. on June 17th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Alg0rhYthm,you ar hardly worth a comment worth a comment on my short lunch. You are not here to debate like Exodus international you come ib here to convert thru verbal electro-shock and mental aversion therapy.

    I am sure you are kept here because you amuse and are no real threat..for just as you cant change some ones sexual orientation, you cant change our minds about Senator Obama.

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    Love fuzzybeargville

  126. on June 17th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    sorry typo’s big hurry short lunch


  127. Rey said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Mahalo Sista,

    I’m actually a die hard fan of Sen. Clinton, so you don’t have to wonder on my agenda to post here base on the previous post, which is rather contradicting if you think about it, however it’s the truth.

    I am an active member of the HCSFJM.COM and just browesing the neighborhood to get an additional insight on things to come.

    Please, by all mean lets proceed with our defiance towards the this tyrany. After all, it wouldn’t be an American. :)

  128. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    browse away and hopefully stay rey. the more the merrier!

  129. on June 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    hello sista going out to dinner with the obamabots tonight can’t wait to let them know that Obama for america is purging Lgbt members from the florida delegation-per the st pete newspaper-

    mmm I guess not only does Mr obama not want my vote I get a comfortable seat under the bus next to His grandmother, the members of trinity united church of christ, white women, et all…he may have to order greyhound’s whole fleet its getting crowded under this here bus…..i guess the change you can believe in is to turn yourself into the next bush?

    Oh and a question my sister in law and I may go the “high end outlet mall in Orlando outside of disney….just to peek in prada gucci and for me timberland….may pick up a pair of puma’s just for fun any suggestions of my sis in law?

    I have loved Hillary for a long time…..I remember that it was during the Clinton years that we made the greatest strides against AIDS and my friends stopped dying and there was real hope. I know with the right woman in the white house we can again focus our efforts and beat this thing once and for all.

    I am tired of my friends dying….I have enough gardian angels watching over me…and I miss them all especially my Douglas who left me to soon may 1st 2001. with hillary we will bethis and cance and so many other diseases.

    I dont see the passion for this in senator obama’s eyes because there is nothing in it for him…..

    love all fuzzybeargville

  130. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 17th, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    No passion indeed fuzzy. sorry for your loss. i bought an uber cute pair of puma wedge heels the other day myself :) I’ll only be able to wear one for a while, but i can probably do more on one shoe than bo and his crew can do on two!!

  131. on June 17th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    sista it gets better I been there as I told you….broke leg


  132. on June 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    New rassmussen pole out 44% McCain 43% Obama. Big bump in McCain favoriblitiy up to 58% obam up to 53%….sista heels piper these polls are everwhere but at least it is not a CNN or MSNBC poll- and this one is dated June 18th 2007…please tell me someone is out there….THey imply that Hillary dropping out of the race may have contributed to an increase in McCains favorability?

    I think ists the former hillacrats moving to McCain ? what are you lovely ladies take on this.


  133. on June 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

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  134. SistaChristianLouboutin said,

    on June 18th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

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  135. FlowerChild2 said,

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  137. margmackall said,

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  138. Mary said,

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    A friend turned me on to this site – since then I’ve been checking it out. Just tell me this … why is Karl Rove featured on this website (see “if you read just one”). This should totally offend anyone who really wants to change politics as usual. Another thing, does anyone remember what Fox news did to Hillary Clinton? Why are Fox newsclips evidence of “the truth” on this site? I’m kinda feelin that this site is a great place to vent but not a place to find the unvarnished truth.

  139. on June 28th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    First, fantastic article–my friends and i have been saying these things to each other for weeks–and site (just learned about you to day on washingtonpost.com). second, while it was great seeing HRC at the “unity” event today, obama still doesn’t get it and will never get my vote. while he was busy not bothering to campaign for votes as she walloped him in the later primaries, he was perfectly content in his smug-as-hell swagger, standing by while his acerbic kool-aid drinking backers accused her and bill of being little better than mass-murdering child rapists. but now that he’s faced with the reality that he simply cannot win the general without her broad base of support and her doners, he thinks he can kiss a little ass and reap the rewards. well he didn’t kiss convincingly enough. too little, too late.

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  141. leon weinstein said,

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    April 21, 2008

    Dear Senator Obama,

    My name is Leon Weinstein. I immigrated to the United States in 1986, and since I became a citizen, I was voting either republican or democrat, depending on issues and personalities. In fiscal and international areas I am conservative, on many social issues I am a liberal. I am pro-choice, pro-legalization of marihuana, pro-amnesty for illegal emigrants (with however a good solid wall constructed to regulate this issue in the future), pro-staying in Iraq until the situation stabilized, pro-getting our hundred billion dollars investment in Iraq back from sales of Iraqi oil, and with a strong stance against Muslim extremists and other aggressive countries and organizations. I would also want to disassemble the United Nations, this joke of a forum where human rights committee members are Iran & Syria.

    When one tries to look into your life achievements, first what he sees is a great carrier in public service, which attests to your political skills. You run a very tight and successful campaign, which is also a very positive sign. On the other hand you have not much of a managerial experience, which is kind of important for the top job in the country. There is not much international experience as well. You are saying that you have good judgment and in media it transfers like the only right judgment you made is that you opposed the war in Iraq. On the other hand your critics saying that you were not in the US senate at that time and didn’t have an access to the intelligence they had (actually you yourself said it several times prior to the Presidential race). Another point that you are making is that you are post-racial and post-partisan candidate and that you will be able to unite the country and the congress. Again the critics say that you didn’t prove while in the US senate that you are able to cross the isle, so to speak. It’s all very confusing. With other candidates it is easier. They are for many years in the all-American politics and we know much more about them. I decided to take try to see by myself where is the truth. Below is my account of the finding regarding your past words and deeds that can shed a light on the two main statements you make: (a) you have good judgment, and (b) you can unite, not divide the country.

    Let me stat with a little historical observation. My great grandparents were Jewish and lived in a small village, with no legal right to move to a larger city, being prohibited to enter Universities, denied elementary human rights and frequently being subjected to pogroms. They were killed, humiliated and raped. This was occurring so often that my ancestors decided that we will call our children’s race by their mother’s. Thousands upon thousands of those children of rape were proudly calling themselves Jews, and joined their brothers and sisters in their faith and destiny. It was very easy to blend into a non-Jewish environment and abandon your race and fate. Some did, most stayed. Let me honestly say to you that the very first thing that got me a bit worried in your book DREAMS OF MY FATHER were words: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race”.

    As you may know, in a Jewish tradition a boy becomes a man at age 13. This is the age we Jews believe that a person can’t hide any more behind his parents, his ignorance or age, has to start choosing his path in this world and has to answer for his own words and actions. This is another quote from your book: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”. You were not ready to stand up for people who raised you, fed you, schooled you and loved you. Those people where “whites”. I am white too. The question the crossed my mind was – will you be ready to stand by me if you are our next President? But that was many years ago, you changed now, now you are grown up man.

    Every year about one million people legally immigrate to the US. Another million comes every year as illegal immigrants. They work, build their nests and stay here. There are millions of others who would give anything to be able to come and stay in America. When I was receiving my citizenship, the ceremony was conducted in a huge hall with some five thousand emigrants receiving their citizenship at the same time. I remember those five thousand people singing the American hymn and crying. They came from different countries and they all remembered how they lived over there. They had tears of joy in their eyes. Millions of people who came here as emigrants (believe me emigration is a very painful and difficult process) are grateful and love the same country your wife, your pastor and your friends appeared to hate. At least in the sound bites we sew on TV screen they shouted and said many bad words about the US of A. My question to you – did you do anything to stop this wave of hate against your mother’s race and your country? Did you fight and lead by example? Or you pretended not to hear, not to see, not to say?

    In my old country we had a saying “tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are”. I understand you do not want to be judged by association with your friends. Many people pass in our lives and we can’t be held accountable for all their words and deeds. Let’s then see what’s going on in your own home. This is what your wife said: “…for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country!” and “America … is a mean country”. Did you tell your wife that thousands upon thousands of people who dream of coming to this mean country? Why they want to stay here, raise their children and grandchildren? Because America is a mean country? Because there is nothing to be proud of here? Did you communicate those thoughts to your daughters? Or you take them Sunday after Sunday, month after month, year after year to sermons by Jeremiah Wright, filled with venom and hate?

    As a mater of fact I personally do not believe that your never heard your pastor and mentor saying that AIDS were created by Americans to wipe out all Africans, or that Christ is black, or that America is a KKK country. This was on CDs and DVDs that were distributed by your church. I have read that you donated large sums of money to this church. Someone used your money to produce those hateful materials. Did you object to that? Did you exercise the leadership and moral authority we seek in our future President?

    What else do I know about you? During student years you felt close to radicals and Marxists. It is perfectly OK at certain age to think that things can be easily and radically changed. Winston Churchill once said (or someone else equally smart) that if at the age twenty you are not a socialist, then you do not have a heart. But if at age forty you’re still a socialist, you do not have a brain. Are you still under a spell of Che Gevaras, Karl Marxes and Leo Trotskis? You went to ask for political support of the leader of Weather Underground. We all know what he and his wife are saying about America. You got their support. And became friends with them. So you probably did or said something that they liked. What did you do, say or promise that they liked so much?

    Then you were elected to the Illinois Senate. You were present but didn’t want to express your opinion on 129 subjects during your time in the state senate. What were the subjects? May be they were unimportant? One of them was an attempt to restrict the location of pornographic video stores & strip clubs within 1,000 feet of schools, churches and kindergartens. You refused to vote on this one. You were the only senator to be present but not expressing opinion on a bill that required teaching “respect for others” at schools. You voted NO on a bill that would require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits against the state. You were the ONLY vote in the Illinois Senate against prohibiting softening prison terms for sex offenders if they behaved well while in the prison. You voted NO on a bill requiring school boards to install software on public computers accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material. Why would you want the school age kids be able to watch porno on school computers? However you voted YES to allow purchase of hypodermic needles from pharmacies without a prescription.

    Let’s also take a look on how you voted on fiscal issues. When tough was going tougher and tougher in your state, you supported … raising taxes. Not trimming expenses, but raising taxes. The state needed money and it was so simple to take them from the hard working people. You supported raising of more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. I will let your constituency guess what you would do as a President every time we have fiscal problems in the US.

    But may be you are very trustworthy person? May be we shall rock solid believe in every word you say? Let’s examine that as well. In a speech in a church in Selma (Alabama) you said that when Democratic President John F.Kennedy offered all suffering people in the world to start believing in their own powers and come to study in the US, your grandfather in Africa heard this call and sent your father to study in the US. When your father came (with the help of the air-bridge that was organized by brothers Kennedy), he met his future bride to be, your white mother, on the historical civil rights march from the very same Selma to Montgomery.

    When examining this story one comes to several interesting conclusions: (a) March from Selma to Montgomery started on Match 7, 1965. You were born in August 1961, four years earlier, (b) In order to be your father, the Obama senior was suppose to come to America the latest in November of 1960, and at that time America’s president was republican Dwight Eisenhower (not democrat JFK).

    You said in many speeches and interviews that you would clean Washington and the politics from special interests. When asked about your relations to a shady businessman Tony Resco (an alleged Chicago mobster now being sued in Chicago), you said that you hardy knew the guy. Then you said that you knew him, but never took… then you said that he gave, but not a lot… and you immediately returned… even more then took… Sounds like Bill Clinton, right?

    The real truth we may learn (or not) during and after the Resco trial. But this is what we know – in June 2005 you purchased a 2 million house in Chicago. On the same day, Tony Resco’s wife purchased an adjacent lot and immediately sold part of it to your wife. The remaining part of the lot remained empty and your family conveniently uses it “temporarily” as your backyard. The picture seen on the Google Earth shows that from the air it is now one property with no boundaries separating the two lots. On top of this “small token” of several hundred thousand dollars, Tony was one of your main financial supporters and gave you over $150,000 in donations. Hardly a person whom you hardly knew. But the biggest question is – what were you paid for? What services you performed to this alleged Mafiosi that were worth purchasing a property and donating so much money to you? May be when saying that you will clean Washington from special interests, you meant “except President Obama’s special interests”?

    Dear Senator, you are probably a very good-hearted man. Although, not very honest. Che Guevara was a good man as well. Leon Trotsky was a very very good man. Mao Tze-Tung was probably a good man. I am sure many people think that Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez are good men. Those are very good men… but not for us. We need a good man with the clearly American values, with an ability to defend our nation against all attacks (as Bush did as a mater of fact), with an ability to reach across the aisle and unite the nation. We need one that doesn’t lie to us. Your autobiographical “Dreams From My Father” is not a story of reaching across the isle but of developing an African identity. Where is our dream of the melting pot? Instead of White Supremacy that I sincerely hope is already in the past, we are now facing Black Supremacy? Black Values? What the hell is that? Why simply not American values?

    Do you know who said this: “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost“. Your wife said that. What did you do or say in public to counter this wonderful pledge of hers?

    There is one more issue I would want to raise in my letter to you:

    In 2003 you said according to The Boston Globe the following words: “The United States had an absolute obligation to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success”. You stated that: “… failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster and would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective”. In 2004 in your interview to The New York Times you said: “I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence,” In the same 2004 in an interview to the Chicago Tribune you said: “… here’s not that much difference between my position [on the war] and George Bush’s position at this stage.” And again in the same 2004 on the Charlie Rose Show, when Charlie asked you if you would have voted against the Iraq War resolution had you been in Congress, your answer was already a simple, “Yes.” On November 2005 you made a speech and called for a gradual withdrawal of forces. You said: “Notice that I say ‘reduce’, and not ‘fully withdraw’”. Today, you vow to “immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq.”

    I think you turned your back on something you proclaimed as an “absolute obligation”. I clearly remember that you made similar promises regarding the safety and security of Israel. How long will those promises last? Until January 2009? No wonder Hamas wants you to become America’s next president. And what other promises you are not intending to keep? In strict adherence to the policy of double-talk, your top foreign policy adviser Samantha Power (fired from the campaign) admitted in an interview that a President Obama may very well not keep the commitments regarding withdrawing from Iraq made by Senator Obama while campaigning. Something similar as far as I can remember was with the Canadian government and the North American Free Trade Agreement. I think in the Webster dictionary such behavior called hypocrisy. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Senator, you lost me as a potential supporter. You represent so many things that I despise, that I am very much concern now that you might be nominated and (God forbid) elected to become the United States President. I can assure you that I will work hard to stop you from becoming our next Commander-in-Chief. From this moment on and until November I am fighting against you as hard as I can. I will write letters, I will organize meetings, I will talk to as many people as I can, I will send money as much as I can to those who as myself will be feverishly working to stop you from changing this wonderful country of ours into the Union of Socialistic States of America.

  142. Diane said,

    on August 16th, 2008 at 8:37 am

    What interview about the canidate’s views regarding faith and values? Didn’t anyone hear about separation of church and state?If I were you I would bother watching the drillble tonight on T.V. (Aug.16/17) Diane PA/

  143. Diane said,

    on August 16th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    If I were you I would NOT watch the interview tonight about faith and values/

  144. Diane said,

    on August 16th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    THe canidates should not mix church and state together.

  145. Dolly said,

    on May 31st, 2010 at 10:46 am

    ЎGracias por el artнculo. Cada vez que quieres leer.


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