Hillary’s Prerogative is hers - yours is yours
Now that we’ve had a few days to recover from our devastation, I think it’s time for a little cold, calculating thinking among those of us who hang out at the HireHeels Boutique and our sisters across the nation. Consider this:
1.) Politics is about the aquisition and use of power: The candidates we admire use power for the good of us all–to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic, to build an economy that lets us all earn our way to fiscal health and dignity, to help those who can’t help themselves. But the game of politics is about getting and using power. Those who fail to recognize that lose both power and elections. No power in the game, no power to help the people you want to help.
2.) Democrats need us to win in November: That makes us powerful. Obama and his true believers may be dissing us right now, but like it or not, they won’t win in November without us - PERIOD!
Keeping in mind those two premises, my question to all of us is: What do we really want? And what does Hillary want? (Besides a month at canyon ranch.)
We can’t read Hillary’s mind, but we can try to figure out our own. It’s not easy, with so much good, justified (misogynistic) reason to be angry. But in my exprience, this is exactly the time for us to pause and decide exactly what we want to get in exchange for our power. Talk about every possible action, even the ones that make us retch like the times we had too many Cosmos on empty stomachs. Play devil’s advocate with ourselves, to make sure we have examined every dark little corner of our strategy. (Something that Mark Penn SHOULD have done for the gadzillions he was earning…but I digress.) Do we want to see Hillary nominated for POTUS? VPOTUS? The promise of a cabinet post, seat on the Supreme Court? Or do we play hard-hard-hardball on Hillary’s agenda to get it adopted?
Just think about Denver (and the potential of our Million Woman March). If we’re organized and all singing that same 70’s “I Am Woman” tune, how frightening would that be to the DNC elders who were so quick to diss us. A bunch of brightly-dressed, focused, pissed-off women who have learned how to use their power? My OPI-polished toes are tingling at the very thought!
The Minx agrees that Hillary should go ahead and “suspend” her campaign right now. Once she’s no longer the target of all that media misogyny and hostility, why, Mr. Wonderful can have the whole glaring spotlight to himself.
Perhaps the Precious Pied Piper of droonlin’ dems might not do so well without Hillary deflecting the fire. Perhaps she’ll be bathed in angelic light as the convention draws near, while she still has all her unreleased delegates in her purse. Perhaps Precious
will implode. Whatever happens, the Dems still need what Hillary and her supporters (especially the gals) bring to the game. We’d better know exactly what to ask for when they come a’crawlin’ like a cheating spouse trying to settle the divorce before the mistress dumps him. Whichever way YOU go - make sure you answer: What do you want for your power?
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:12 am
well thought out minxie…..there are a growing number of factions declaring they simply won’t vote for obama - but, the situation is clearly fluid among diss-affected democrats …. anything can happen….anything!
one thing i know : women need to stand firm in their stilettos!!
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Hi HireHeels gals and guys: What’s your prerogative?
You know where Princess and Sista stand on voting (OR NOT) for Senator Obama. We are a force of tens of thousands, probably more like millions, who will choose not to just FALL IN LINE and do what despicable Dean wants us to!!! HireHeels wants to know: What do you think? What do you want?
Go ahead and DISH, DIG UP DIRT, STRATEGIZE, COMMISERATE or VENT in this open thread.
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Don’t we need to start posting dates and hotel info in Denver and surrounding areas? Since there’s a convention going on- we have to be the savvy shoppers that we all are and book now!
Please find out and post different hotels and rates for us–maybe they will even give us group discounts! LOL
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:27 am
evy - hireheels hears you girlfriend!!!! just hang on as we collaborate with other factions - and potential backers - as well as consider the huge hurdles for denver — we are a major threat and they know it …..things are as fluid as a cosmopolitan right now —- so stay cool as we shop around for some sugardaddys and logistical support i.e. from womencountpac
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
it’s either gonna get very lonely - or very loud - whichever way the women blow will determine this election.
on June 7th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I’ve been listening to the party leaders and Dems and I keep wondering what they been smokin’! They don’t get we women are no longer willing to submit to the will of party bosses for the
sake of unity! Back room deals and good ol’ boys are history, and we need to keep the pressure on the super stupid delegates and do all we can to get this turned around. We need to fight all the way to Denver and beyond. One of the media channels just said Clinton was running late because she was afraid to come to this speech and “end her campaign.”
on June 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Hillary’s supporters 18 Million strong will stand for Hillary in
Denver. I will driiving my Big Tahoo…yes my SUV loaded with as many Loyal
Hillary supportes as possible…Driving to Denver !! Do not join the
Obama camp our voices will become silent again..and we will become
irrelevant. We cannot let that happen..
on June 7th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
i truly feel love, admiration and respect for hillary clinton - but i will never, ever vote for obama - no speech from hillary herself changes my feelings about him…i know she would understand.
on June 7th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
exactly marcia!!!!!!!! i feel like a fifth grader being scolded by my teacher “Now Princess, you have to do what’s right for the Party!”
I wasn’t so ballsy in fifth grade, but i’ve learned a few things since then. The Rendells and Rangels and can kiss my prada-covered a-s-s
on June 7th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
screw obama - this day is a tragedy
on June 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Joining the Oh No!bama camp rewards Axelrod, Obi, the media moguls, the investors, the 400+ paid bloggers, the Hillary abusers, the online & elsewhere Probama misogynists and the goddamn dnc!
lest you feel pressured, keep in mind: Obama in office means A-rod in office. we’ll be subject to vague, often inaccurate verbal bla-bla by obama with the spin machine right at his side to catch him when he falls for four…. long….. years! like living in russia…
I say march! make it clear to the mafia we will not “be good girls”………..and wait………….
on June 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
AMEN SITTIN STRAIGHT - IT’LL BE A COLD DAY IN HELL BEFORE I VOTE FOR THE EVER-SLIPPERY BARACK AND HIS GANG - ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR MCCAIN!
on June 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
DONT CONCEDE RUN AS “INDENDENT” WE WILL SUPPORT YOU IN THE FALL
I am upset and very disappointed that Hillary didn’t make it.
It’s not surprising after the way the CCN and all of them it
was obvious that Obama was in and Hillary was out. It was shameful how they treated her in
the media. I ask that you all go to the following website and read in the blog on the top
left hand side, what Obama is really about: You can also
sign up to be part of the Movement.
http://writehillaryin.com/
I don’t want Hillary to concede. I do not trust Obama and what his personal agenda may be
as he is accepting money from Muslims here in the US and overseas.
If we do not vote at all, we are giving away our vote. This is what the powers that be
want. People who voted for Hillary
won’t vote for Obama and, of course, what is left is McCain which is surely more of Bush.
We are in between a rock and hard place.
We need to encourage Hillary still not to give up, register with all 45 states that allow
“Indendent Write ins” and we will all vote for her in the Fall. I have already changed my
party from “Democrat” to “Independent”.
We need to organize and they can’t afford to have 18 million people not vote. We have the power now so all we need to do is change your party to “Independent” and write in Hillary and we the people would have made history.
bdsteed
chula vista, ca
GO HILLARY GO!!!
on June 7th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Remmber what Hillary said in her speech today.
SUSPEND not concede and SUPPORT not endorse…those are our sign that we go ahead and change all this and she on the other hand saves face. It’s perfect.
bdsteed
on June 7th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
ladies, hillary’s 18M strong are not going away. With our regional “leads” spearheading the grass roots efforts, we can get this coalition to unite at the natl level.
just got this back from a Texas dem:
Hi Angie,
I read your mail to Ann about the “million Woman” March and I and my sisters and friends are very interested and would need more information on that. Where can I go to sign up? I am one of Hillary’s passionate supporters and feel very very paralyzed right now words cannot even begin to express it. I got your email for the Hillary Houston Area network. I just wanted to include this email that I wrote to them to express how I feel. I believe there are lot of us who feel that way. I wish we can pull this “Million Woman” and send a powerful message that we would not be ignored.
Waiting to here from you.
on June 7th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
They cannot fool me. I know Hillary is just trying to do the POLITICALLY CORRECT THING but I will not be joining her to VOTE for OB. We need to send a very STRONG MESSAGE that we will not be fooled or taken for GRANTED. Folks, this is not just about Hillary, it’s about FUTURE WOMEN running for public office. If they can treat Hillary like this what make us think that another woman won’t be treated the same way. Having seen what these people have done to Hillary, I don’t see another woman putting herself through this until we all stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We DO MATTER! 18 MILLION OF US DO MATTER!
on June 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
THE MCCAIN VULTURES ARE DESCENDING - SOOOOOOO FUNNY DUDE - THE CALLS ARE COMING IN TO ALL MY ‘OPERATIVE TYPES’….LOL
I’M SO LOVING THIS RIGHT NOW - AND RUSH THOUGHT HE HAD A MONOPOLY ON “OPERATION CHAOS”
on June 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
“The government of the People” we voted over 18 million strong and they cant sillence us! I understand Hillary is doing what she needs to do to play the policitcal game and I respect her for that but more importantly we will not go quietly back into the kitchen to bake cookies while the good ol’ boys decide to choose the most undemocratic unAmerican path and deny the vioce of the people the voice of 18 million of us. WE COUNT When Every vote Counts Our United Nationalism Truimphs!!!! This is the government of the people and it seems that the Democratic party has forgotten that and if we stand united we will be heard. Hillary has carried us this far, it is time for us now to carry her and together WE WILL!!!
on June 7th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
OK - I just copied this comment from HillaryClinton.com - even her most ardent supporters are saying “NO WAY”…ck it out :
Hillary will always be #1 and the uniter
I was so proud of Hillary today as she stood up there and bravely spoke to all of us after everything she has gone thru during this Primary. I have followed the Clintons for 17 years and always knew Hillary would run for President. I am not giving up on her. She suspended her campaign and supported BO and pleased the DNC. I will never vote for BO not matter what. We just have to sit and wait patiently for the next 10 weeks and see what happens. There is one thing for sure …. this Hillary supporter will vote Republican for the first time in her life with pleasure. No BO, No VP for Hillary no matter what.
- Denise
on June 7th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Princess –
Great speech – looking forward to the call to morrow – everyone out here is jazzed up ! A few of us have tickets to Denver .
on June 7th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Take heed; do not support Obama under any circumstance. Here is my brief report from last night’s Texas Democratic Convention:
First the person who was in charge at the podium and introduced the speakers all Friday night was none other than Texas state Senator Kirk Watson.
Remember “Hardball” Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0stand
It was almost more than I could stand. But the true wickedness got underway later.
I was a Delegate to the Texas Democratic Convention in Austin TX. What a sham and travesty. In our Senate District (SD) caucus, just as in the local caucuses, it was mayhem and chaos. The Obama forces quickly stole the floor from those who have experience in “Robert’s Rules of Order “and in the Rules of the Democratic Party. As soon as the Obama leader of the SD caucus took over, he looked around with a blank face and had to ask those around him what to do. There were no microphones and lots of shouting. At 1:30am an announcement was made that the parking garage was closing. I had been at the convention since 7:30am. I was waiting to be nominated as a Delegate to the National Convention; but had to leave to move my car. When I returned, I was told that since I was not present, when the nominations were made, I could not be considered. So it went all night, as life long Democrats left due to lack of order, water, and sleep. In the wee small hours of the morning, amidst utter chaos, Obama supporters took over the Texas Democratic Convention just as they stole the caucuses around the country. It is truly a sad day for the Democratic Party and for America. All law and rule of order seems to be under attack.
Senator Hillary Clinton should never join forces with Obama.
I believe we should have a million women march in Denver to protest and back Hillary any way we can. But she must distance herself from any direct association with Mr. “Oh”.
on June 7th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
(my reply to the email with speech)
Beautifully delivered.
But it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Barack Obama. And I’m not alone.
I will continue to support Hillary Clinton - somehow, but as I told the BBC and The Guardian over the last few days, I simply cannot vote for a man I deem ill-equipped to be Commander In Chief. This is the only time I respectfully disagree with Senator Clinton.
With Undying Support & Admiration,
Princess
on June 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I think the DNC underestimated the pent-up rage on the part of female supporters. We’re soooo tired of being petted on the heads and told to be good little girls and follow orders.
I’m still scared to death of St. John and his potential appointments to the Supremes, but I am also sick to death of the deification of Barack Obama…and increasingly terrified, too. Anytime you start painting a halo around a political leader, it’s trouble–people start acting as though they have a divine mandate to carry out what they think dear leader’s agenda is, and any dear leader who’s getting deified like that is in trouble of believing his own press. Beware any political movement that turns its figurehead into a messiah. Nothing good ever comes of it.
on June 7th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
No way I’m voting for The Messiah. That whole “dear leader” stuff reminds me of North Korea.
Follow the money— look into who is buying our presidency and our country– intent on destroying us from the inside.
on June 7th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
this is my first time blogging on your maaavelous site.
being a fashionista myself, i love the fact that hireheels fulfills two of my passions - shopping addiction and my political novice sensibilities.
organization is the key to the many grassroots groups sprouting. count me in for any revolution, activism, march or shopping…i’m willing and ready to do whatever means necessary to get senator clinton elected as POTUS.
on June 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
NOBAMA!!! Let’s get on busses chartered to Denver and storm the convention!! I am ready to ride in from VA. I will be teaching hs, but I can and will do a bus trip if a protest is organized. We could stage a demonstration larger than even the biggest Vietnam protest. And do signs for Hil’s talking points as well.
I think blog.pumapac.org can be our uniting and planning place.
America does not need bo.
Hil-La-Ry!Hi-La-Ry!
on June 7th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Just remember to coordinate with all other groups, i.e. puma, etc. We don’t need to be splintered right now do we? And also remember one thing: there are one heck of of lot of men who support this idea of equality and are pro Hillary; don’t get the message wrong with some sort of nouveau feminism. Keep the message simple.
on June 7th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I am ready to go to Denver!! This is one fight that we definitely do not want to stop. It angers me that Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, BO, and others think that women will come around eventually. Well, this is one time that we will stand and be counted. It is time!
on June 7th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Whoops! The correct You Tube address for
Remember “Hardball”: Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0
on June 8th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Dave–you are absolutely right. Keep the message simple. Hillary’s coalition is broad and inclusive, bringing men and women of all races/ethnicities together around issues of the economy, labor, health care, education, voting rights, etc.
This said, we’ve got to admit, the mistreatment of HRC by the Dem Party and the media was in a very big way misogynist and sexist. The gender bias needs to be addressed in a serious way. I hope like-minded men will support us in confronting and doing away with this type of prejudice and discrimination forever.
Nevertheless, your are right, HRC’s populist coalition also needs to stay focused on finding practical solutions to the serious problems that both men and women face today. I don’t think any of these agendas are mutually exclusive!
on June 8th, 2008 at 8:04 am
great post minx, and you’ve got a point. if obama were to adopt hillary’s healthcare plan (and why not, he’s adopted everything else from her) i might consider voting for him. but that’s a big if because i do not want to reward the thuggery of the obama campaign. delegate stealing, voter supression, and intimidation through strong-arm tactics are not a new type of politics. there will be a day of when his followers realize that he’s not ‘teh messiah’, but just another pol.
we must stay organized and not let the party, the media, or the blogosphere keep us down. if we’re strong, we can take control back from the moveon/dailykos/huffpo wing of the party.
so let’s regroup, focus, and enjoy watching obama turn himself into a pretzel in trying to woo us.
on June 8th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Good morning my little pretties….
I have some distressing news about our gal-pal Sista Christian - she took a day off yesterday to celebrate her birthday - by roadtrippin’ to vermont on a motorcycle.
unfortunately, a deer crossing the road in new hampshire had something else in mind - she and her friend are ‘okay’ but Sista Christian has 3 nasty leg breaks…..still waiting on more news for her - but wanted to let her hireheels sisters know so y’all can send her some getwell vibes….
on June 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
HOLY SHIT! Princess, you know how to reach me, right? Let me know what I can do.
on June 8th, 2008 at 11:31 am
I would really like to see the Denver protest, if a million folks showed up at Denver demanding Hillary be the nominee I don’t think they could back down to that crowd.
On another note: A write-in campaign isn’t to good of a idea. I mean, some states don’t allow it. The states that do, the candidate must file the paper work if they don’t the vote doesn’t count and may even go to Obama (not sure of that).
If Hillary filed the paper work (I doubt she will) I would be for it and support it.
on June 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
sending sista my love and wishes for a speedy recovery!
bill, i’m with you. i’m not for a write-in campaign unless it actually got hill elected.
on June 8th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
HELP HILLARY IN DENVER - HELP RETIRE HER DEBT
One of the most important things we can do for hillary is to help retire her debt. it would send a big message to the dnc and give her the independence she needs. if you have not maxed out your contribution any monies donated to her would go to do that and not go to the dnc or obama.
on June 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
FYI HIREHEELS: A Letter from Rosa Park’s granddaughter Carole Parks of Chicago, IL
My main regret is that Hillary probably felt compelled to congratulate Barack on the victory he has won, as opposed to the honor he was granted. Other than that, despite the circumstances, I felt buoyed by the speech. I was glad she reminded people of the number and wide diversity of her supporters, the issues she’ll continue fighting for, the precedents to these historical campaigns, the bias she ran into, and that of the last 10 presidential elections Bill won two of the three Democratic victories. Most of all, I was glad she left the door open.
We made tremendous progress during the under a Democratic president, with a flourishing economy and our leadership for peace and security respected around the world. Just think how much more progress we could have made over the past 40 years if we’d had a Democratic president. Think about the lost opportunities of these past seven years on the environment and the economy, on health care and civil rights, on education, foreign policy and the Supreme Court.
Hillary compared the party to a family unified around shared ideals, values and destination which would mean I must identify with a leadership who facilitate favoritism, foul play and public savaging of its own members. Who reward Republicanesque chicanery and marketing over democratic principles and substance. Who would rather protect their own territory than elect a president who could help us all.
Hillary also urged us not to dwell on what might have been which is exactly what we must do in the person of Howard Dean. The man is incompetent, a saboteur or both. Retaining him spits in the face of over half those who voted in the primaries. It erodes confidence the DNC will reflect our standards. It conveys contempt for us on the part of the candidate we are called upon to support. It suggests winning the White House is not a DNC priority.
Now, when I started this race, I intended to win back the White House and make sure we have a president who puts our country back on the path to peace, prosperity and progress. We cannot let this moment slip away. We have come too far and accomplished too much. This election is a turning-point election. And it is critical that we all understand what our choice really is. Will we go forward together, or will we stall and slip backwards?
Unity is a two-way street. So far, I have seen nothing to indicate the Hillary camp counts any more than it has all along. Replacing Dean with someone amenable to Hillary would be a start. Perhaps I’ll see other evidence at the convention. Until then I cannot in good conscience get in the spirit Hillary urged. Others have made it too hollow. She will be blamed for that anyway, no matter what she does, so I might as well remain faithful to the vision that has sustained me so far: Hillary Clinton in the White House.
on June 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
“people start acting as though they have a divine mandate to carry out what they think dear leader’s agenda is, and any dear leader who’s getting deified like that is in trouble of believing his own press. Beware any political movement that turns its figurehead into a messiah. Nothing good ever comes of it.”
Except that that is what’s happened with Hillary, as well.
In all the comments to this post, I have read many comments that say, basically - screw the dems, we want who we want, and don’t care if it costs us having McCain=Bush the 3rd.
Sorry, my constitutional rights are more important than the Goddess Hillary.
on June 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
justzisguy, did you get a text message to start posting in this blog?
on June 8th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Hi everyone. I have to say one thing. Hillary had to say in her speech what she did. She is in the Democratic Party. We do not have to. I will never vote for Obama as he is to evil for our country. Mccain is the lessor of the two even though i do not like Mccain i will cross over if need be. I am doing this for my daughter and my granddaughter not just myself. I am doing this for our husbands who are standing beside us and our sons who are there for us too. I am doing this for everyone who wants to have our voices heard and not to be made to vote for someone the Democratic Party picked for us like Mr. Obama. This race was rigged from day one. I feel that the Democratic Party and Howard Dean,Pelosi and Reid should be squashed and made to answer for thier unlawful wrong deeds. Sorry but i just came from Pumapac and we are strong. We all need to be strong or we will lose all our freedom not just freedom of speech.
on June 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
justizguy go back to your Obamanites we do not want you here. We are Hillary supporters all the way. Please leave.
on June 8th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
By the looks of the other Blogs for Hillary we should have more than a million there. Could be well over two million.
on June 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Please let us know about the “Million Woman March” on Denver. The Democratic Party leadership does not believe that there has been a rift in the party. The strategy to show collective displeasure at the DNC must be at grassroots level, state by state. Who is organizing this? I want to do something!
on June 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
See you all later and be strong and fight. Call Deans Office ,let him have it. 202-863-8000 i sure did. If he or anyone from the Democratic Party sends you a e-mail let them have it right back. Tell them how you feel. They have broken the Democratic Laws. They can not be let to get away with it.
on June 8th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Hello! This is my first post here but I am trying to inquire about who I need to be refered to in regards to speaking at this event? Or if it is possible? You can email me at: soldier4hillary@yahoo.com or swing by my site:
http://www.hillaryunited.com thanx. Also is this definite? Reason I ask because I am in the military and would have to put leave in and it would give me enough time to raise money for the event itself.
thanx
on June 8th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
This is a refreshing site! Thank you!
I wrote to Hillary months ago and told her that it would be the Women that would put her in the White House. I still believe that, and I am sure I wasn’t the only one to tell her that.
I do not want this incredible journey to turn into a fractured fairy tale. I am “in it to win it” with Hillary. I will be one of those millions in Denver helping to carry Hillary to Victory.
on June 8th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
If you just ignore justzisguy, it will go slinking back to “precious”.
on June 9th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Someone at the PUMA site just told me that Gloria Stienem
is backing Barry. Can anyone verify this??
on June 9th, 2008 at 7:02 am
patsy–hi! thanks for being here. i always loved your comments, posts and videos on taylor marsh. please feel free to add your insights here as well.
we’re furiously working out the details on the million woman march in denver. we’ll let everyone know all soon.
thanks for your service. my hubby retried from the navy last year, so i can totally relate to your having to put in a leave chit.
on June 9th, 2008 at 7:30 am
okay, that last sentence was terrible. it should read:
‘my hubby retired from the navy last year, so i can totally relate to the need of putting in a leave chit.’
on June 9th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Yes, to march. Organize and report as often as possible. I am in FL. This is a “hot” state after what the DNC did to us. Hillary did what she had to do. Has anyone ever seen the movie “Little Big Man” with Dustin Hoffman as Little Big Man? There’s a scene when Little Big Man and his friend who is a traveling medicine man get caught for selling medicine that doesn’t cure all. It’s actually just liquor in a bottle. The town catches up to him and tars and feathers both of them, but the traveling medicine man doesn’t ever give up!! The town has them tied to a wagon, tarred and feathered, and Little Big Man say, “we are beat, you have to give up, and the Medicine Man says, “I am not beat, I’m tarred and feathered that’s all.” And that medicine man just keeps on going. That’s where we are now..we aren’t beat, we are just tarred and feathered. Stay together, stay strong, and on our way to Denver!!
on June 9th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Justzisguy,
every blog that has a particular candidate at heart will have at least a little flavor of “my guy or the highway. ” However, I have yet to see anybody paint Hillary’s picture with a halo and other traditional religious imagery. Or write columns portraying him as a “lightworker,” divinely ordained to make humanity vibrate at a higher level. Or come away from events with a religious fervor without knowing diddly about policy. These are things I’ve witnessed among Obama supporters that I haven’t witnessed among Hillary supporters. (Not like it never happens among ours, I’m sure, but I haven’t seen a cottage industry of it pop up like I have in the Obama camp.)
As for the McCain thing, I understand the pent-up anger of the people here who say they’ll vote for him before Obama. I’m not sure I would do the same, given how scared shitless I am of that phony. (Alas, phonies abound!) But before I commit to either course of action, I’m going to do a little cold calculation–y’know, kinda like I said in the original post? Some of that calculation will be a look at the likely make-up of the Senate Judiciary Committee post-November, since that’s the committee that reviews appointments to federal courts (including the Supremes). For example, if I think they’ll discover their testicular fortitude and slam the brakes on any nominee who isn’t 100% on board with the Constitution and precedent, I might be more open to not voting Obama. If I think the committee will be gutless, well, then, my decision might be different.
But that’s how I tend to approach this stuff. I’m sharing the process here so that anybody who finds that process useful can use it, and to make sure that we’ve had every discussion we need to have among ourselves to make the best decision to maximize our power.
on June 9th, 2008 at 10:00 am
I just read Dave’s post. I think he’s right. Don’t make this a Feminist march. We need to show that People are behind Hillary, regardless of gender. This affects everyone. We need to show them this is about EVERYONE, not women alone. Let’s keep it simple and to the point as John pointed out.
on June 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
We have set up the blog http://www.millionwomenmarch.blogspot.com to start organizing those interested in the Million Women March in August. Please visit and let us know if you are interested in helping make this happen.
on June 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
In the 90’s there was a Republican candidate for governor of Texas. He was Clayon Williams, and he lost because he made a comment about rape;
he said rape was like the weather–if it’s inevitable, lie back and enjoy it.
This is what the Democratic Party has done to Hillary, and, by extension, to us.
I’m not up for laying back, and enjoying being screwed.
Not this time!!!
I’ll do all I can to elect McCain.
on June 9th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
In CNN today (finger down throat):
Grumbling Clinton supporters make Democrats nervous”
“A newly released CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that if Obama does not select Clinton as his running mate, 22 percent of her supporters would stay home this fall — and another 17 percent would vote for McCain…
…Obama advisers say they think the passion of the primary season will soon fade, and the party will unite around the senator from Illinois. But they’ve moved quickly to cement party unity: Last week, a thank you message — and a plea for visitors to “show your support” for Clinton — appeared on Obama’s Web site.”
Actually they removed most of the messages to Hillary when probamaniacs spewed hate rather than thanking her.
Soooo.. at least we make them nervous. But see? A-rod is counting on our passion “to fade”. He thinks he’ll convince us to fall in line like good lil’ girl sheep. Hopefully there are a lot of Annie Oakley’s out there stickin’ to their guns.
This is a feminist issue and we shouldn’t deny that.
on June 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
i am an annie oakley that is definitely stickin’ to my guns! please provide information about denver. i am very hopeful that the democrats continue to feel extremely nervous. it is a feminist issue, i agree. i won’t forget it and definitely won’t deny it!!
i am checking back in with this site, so please keep us informed.
thank you!
on June 9th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Unfortunately, minxie, it seem that your supporters don’t want any comments here that don’t support Hill all the way - your supporters have Deified her in that nothing critical at all is allowed.
Hell, they impugn my reason for being here:
“JayM said, on June 8th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
justzisguy, did you get a text message to start posting in this blog?”
No, actually, I didn’t.
“Sandra Terreberry said, on June 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
justizguy go back to your Obamanites we do not want you here. We are Hillary supporters all the way. Please leave.”
You mean free discourse isn’t welcome here?
“andersen said, on June 8th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
If you just ignore justzisguy, it will go slinking back to “precious”.”
Actually, my precious is the Constitution.
Not Obama. Not Hillary. Not McCain.
Not party idealism.
Not “my candidate, right or wrong”.
My precious isn’t voting based on someone’s gender, but whether or not they are more or less likely to destroy the constitution.
McCain is likely to destroy it further.
I will support whomever prevents that from happening.
” ahorner said, on June 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm … he said rape was like the weather–if it’s inevitable, lie back and enjoy it.
This is what the Democratic Party has done to Hillary, and, by extension, to us.”
So, on a feminist blog, it’s okay to diminish rape?
What Williams said was despicable, but so is comparing getting cheated by your party to being raped.
Minx: “These are things I’ve witnessed among Obama supporters that I haven’t witnessed among Hillary supporters.”
And yet, here you have, in the very comments to your post, your supporters saying that dissenting opinions aren’t welcome here, and that they’re willing to vote McCain, who will be another Bushista, in order to tell the Democratic Party just what they think of it - doesn’t that sound like a child who smashes a toy, rather than share it?
on June 9th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Please, let us know more about the “Million Woman March.” I saw on PUMA blog that another group is organizing a “Million Women’s March.” I am trying to find out how I can help out.
email: WNDRFUL@AOL.COM
on June 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
princess is very very very tired….yesterday i led a conference call of dozens of other blogs and pac true to hillary clinton - we agreed to band together under one coalition - i’ll write a post about our efforts tomorrow - but i’ll drop the new coalition here:
JustSayNoDeal.com
PERIOD!
the one thing all our coalition members have in common - we refuse to fall in line behind obama.
on June 9th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Princess - went and signed on to the justsaynodeal site - excellent! Most of the blogs I participate in have been saying we need a common ground to meet on and combine our ideas and our power.
on June 9th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
I’m sooooo glad to know that HRC supporters are still passionate about her winning the nomination in Denver. About retiring the debt, please send e-mail blasts to all of your members and ask them to e-mail blasts to their friends and families who voted for HRC to contribute $5 to http://www.hillaryclinton.com. There were 18 million of us voted for HRC. If half of the voters contributed $5 each, HRC campaign would have raised $45MM and that should send a clear message to BHO and the DNC that we mean business and that HRC doesn’t need BHO’s money to help her retire the debt. Just ask everyone to donate $5….that’s it!
on June 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
action idea from camille424’s site (bitterpoliticz):
all hands on deck!
18 million hands - send them to the dnc!
1. trace your hands on an 8×11 sheet of paper. make it colorful to grab attention.
2. write your name and city/state in the center of your hands and the words “i am one of 18 million.”
3. above the hands, write: “these hands are on the front lines of democracy and pledge - i will not vote for obama.”
4. below the hands, write a line or two about what you want/ your reasons you won;t vote for bo, why you are upset with the dnc, or whatever stirs your soul. we suggest you keep it fairly brief for maximum impact.
5. put it in an envelope and send it off to the dnc.
democratic national committee
430 s. capitol st. se
washington, dc 20003
6. pass it on!!! post this call to arms wherever you can! let’s bombard the dnc with the hands of the voters they dismissed, ignored, disenfranchised and belittled. and remember the old saying - “many hands make light work.”
special note if you live in florida: make it just half a hand! let them know you’d like to be a whole person again.
And I suggest adding some nail polish - I’m using a sassy pomegranate shade…
on June 10th, 2008 at 4:03 am
Sista here… writing from her hospital bed. Thanks for keeping up the good fight HH gals and guys. Sadly, I won’t be wearing any high heels for quite some time, but maybe I can find some really righteously hot flats. And to justzisguy, we believe in democracy/ free speech here— even though ironically many of us feel that our democratic rights in this primary have been stripped. HH.com will not restrict any reasonable and respectful argument.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
– The Friends of Voltaire, 1906
on June 10th, 2008 at 5:22 am
So I need to make a choice with my vote.
Hmmmm……McCain or Hitler? Hitler or McCain? Hmmm….that could be hard……not!
I’m In - Just Say No Deal!!!
on June 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
justsaynodeal.com is not coming up.
on June 10th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Sista - keep on getting better, and thanks for your response.
I get that you feel your rights were stripped. Until recently, I didn’t know it was a legislative issue on the FL primary, and a republican one at that.
And that sucks the big one.
I get that most of you feel HRC has more experience than BHO - and I understand WHY, based on Senate time and votes.
What I don’t like is conflation of all other time in non-elected positions as experience in government. It’s NOT all the same, nor is it all equivalent.
What I don’t like is candidates who lie about wartime, or military related, experience, either their own (ducking sniper fire in Tuzla?), or that of their opponents (Swiftboat?)
What I don’t like is candidates who vote in favor of torture; who have been repeatedly verbally abusive to women; who have ditched the wife who stuck by them, in favor of a richer, younger one.
What I don’t like is a candidate saying they won’t “stand by their man”, yet turn around and do so; a candidate who, not so secretly, but without any attention from the MSM, have aligned themselves with groups who think freedom of religion means only for evangelical Christians; who treat the military like the hired help at best, and dog crap on the shoes at worst.
What I don’t like is someone who is demeaning to professionals, and thinks they can get away with it, because that’s just their manner of speaking (and I DO agree - it’s proof that sexism has more approval than racism); who won’t look into how to take care of the health care issue, or won’t even say “I’ll think about it”; who tacitly approve of disenfranchisement of a large part of their party.
I think McCain is the most dangerous of the three candidates right now, and anything that splits the party vote, while sending a needed message, also gives us at least four more years of Bush style NeoCon pseudofacism.
In 1992 I was asked why I voted for Clinton: “because I have too many friends with too few white blood cells to allow the Republicans to maintain the Executive.”
Why will I vote for a Democratic candidate, no matter what, this year: because I value my freedom and my civil liberties too much to allow even ONE MORE DAY of a Republican President.
on June 10th, 2008 at 10:14 am
“they’re willing to vote McCain, who will be another Bushista, in order to tell the Democratic Party just what they think of it - doesn’t that sound like a child who smashes a toy, rather than share it?”
I thought about it, and I get that this is a very poor analogy.
Someone on you own team cheated, and you didn’t get to be team captain because of their cheating; now you’re willing to throw the game to spite the person who got ahead because of cheating.
But this isn’t a game - and I know you know that.
This is our very freedom at stake - and comparing Obama to Hitler shows just how much you DO deify HRC - because you demonize BHO.
You Godwined yourself, Diamond Tiger.
BHO didn’t institute a war of agression resulting in the annihilation of millions of people.
For Gods’ sake - I know you’re all very heated, and you have every reason to be; but comparisons to rape and Hitler are intellectual laziness at best, and demeaning to those who have had to deal with either, at worst.
I’ve seen the results of genocide first hand - have you?
on June 10th, 2008 at 11:30 am
justzisguy: You say that you have seen genocide. Where have you seen this?
Senator McCain is a war hero as you know. Held captive as a POW, he endured solitary confinement, was beaten and strung up from both arms. Along with the other Amercian prisoners, he was beaten daily. After 5 years, the enemy came to him and told him he could go home. He responded, “not without my friends.” This my friend, is a man worth voting for.
on June 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
On Saturday, prior to Senator Clinton’s speech, CSpan-2 was taking calls. A volunteer from the Clinton campaign got through and was on air. She said that she would not vote Obama because of the attacks by Obama supporters in her district, and the vicious tactics used by Axelrod and the other man, Plough, (not sure how his name is spelled). All the adoration and praise Obama has received by the media, regarding his above the board running of his campaign is mere nothing. That little stunt which was pulled in Indianna, holding back the election results all that time, was directly from the playbook of Chicago mob 1930’s politics from where Obama comes.
on June 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Flowerchil2: “Senator McCain is a war hero as you know. Held captive as a POW, he endured solitary confinement, was beaten and strung up from both arms. Along with the other Amercian prisoners, he was beaten daily. After 5 years, the enemy came to him and told him he could go home. He responded, “not without my friends.” This my friend, is a man worth voting for.”
This is a man, who, after having endured torture, voted to _allow_ the president of the USA to decide what torture is.
That is _not_ a man worth voting for.
Mccain is no feminist’s friend - have you seen how he treated his first wife when he came back from being a “war hero”?
Have you seen how he treats his current wife?
War hero?
So what?
His actions during viet nam excuse his reprehensible conduct during the keating five?
they excuse an atrocious record of voting to give the executive more powers that allow it to ignore the constitution, and bring us closer and closer to a police state?
They excuse saying he thinks we should be in Iraq for 100 years?
They excuse him not knowing the difference between Shi’ite and Sunni?
They excuse him having a “senior moment” and confusing Iraq and Iran, even though the president is supposed to understand whom we are fighting?
They excuse being a two faced liar?
No!
Don’t trot out the “war hero” horse - it’s dead, and been beaten too much - one man’s courage over thirty years ago do not give him a free ride now - talk about deification!
I haven’t seen genocide, nor did I say I had - I have seen, and I quote myself “the results of genocide” - Srebrenica, Glogova, Bratunac, and four or five mass grave sites in Zenica province.
on June 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Justzisguy,
I don’t just ‘feel’ my rights were stripped, they were. I don’t just ‘feel’ HRC has more experience, she does. you can forget about the phoney psycho babble (it won’t work here) and the bad analogies.
and jeeze can you keep it short. five paragraphs on what you don’t like, i feel that’s a little long. i’m glad you decided to help us out and give us the benefit off all your ‘thinking’. now i’m gonna tell you what i feel about that…shove it! oops did i just say that. guess i wasn’t thinking. let me rephrase that…mccain 08.
on June 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
2debs - I’m glad you don’t run this site - because you are a coward.
Your attitude is that _anyone_ is better than Obama, if you can’t have your way.
2debs, you’re the very proof that some of hillary’s supporters cannot be expected to engage in rational discourse.
You spit in the face of comments from SistaChristianLouboutin and manolo minx - who are rational, and willing to actually engage in discussion, not temper tantrums.
on June 10th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Hello,
My name is Naomi Zeveloff and I am a journalist with the Colorado Independent, a news website in Denver. I want to do a piece on the Million Women March that you are planning. Please shoot me an email if you have a moment: nzeveloff (AT) comcast.net. I’d love to hear from anyone at HireHeels.
Naomi Zeveloff
on June 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
You know it’s sad that Obama’s people are so insecure that they have to come and spy on us. They area now all over the other sites we have posted here. I feel this way….if Obama in 17 months has not convinced me to vote for him, another few months is not going to make a difference. I refuse to vote for Jimmy Carter II. Hillary is so multi-talented. I was thinking though, maybe this is a blessing in disguise as the saying goes. Whoever wins now will be a one term president, just like in Carter years, and then up to the plate will be our real nominee and a president that can really get things done- - Hillary Clinton.
Peace everyone!!
on June 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Obamabots don’t understand that we had GOOD reason not to vote for him the first time. Why would we vote for him now?
on June 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
justzisguy,
yada,yada,yada
mccain 08
on June 10th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
The panic mode of the DNC - they are still shrilling away.
It does sounds to me like the dnc and the democratic leadership and the media are in panic mode. i wonder what is really up. state senator geller of florida has filed a lawsuit against the dnc that alleges constitutional violations and violations of the voting rights act. it was filed on may 22nd and the judge issued a summons for howard dean to appear with 20 days of being served. check out the lawsuit at:
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/gellervdnc.php
on June 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
JUSTZIGUY
Forget your meds?
on June 10th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
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on June 11th, 2008 at 2:07 am
1. The Democraticy party voting system is undemocratic - caucuses - where the in the voting are not monitored, so who know how many votes each candidate have.
superdelegates - are bias towards Hillary from the start.
2. The established Washingtonians are anti Clintons, so they decided to vote for Obama who has only ONE thing on his resume - Great speaker.
3. Obama is a radical
4. The media - especially MSNBC reported from the campaigns with bias, disrespectful, disgusting point of vews - against Hillary.
5. Hillary was robbed from the nominations by the superdelegates, Florida and Michigan (uncounted the 100% votes).
6. Now Obama want Hillary’s voters - NO WAY!
on June 11th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Just checked the superdelegates in FL, (my state). Senator Geller was not a superdelegate. Dean was on Morning Joe this AM. I watched just to see what he had to say. Lip service regarding sexist comments, but he is charging that to the commentaries on that show rather than confronting them right then and there - - translation lip service. He continued to deny the party was split, but admitted he had heard from women (didn’t mention MEN) who are not voting for Obama, and claimed it was a healing process. Same old, same old song and dance.
on June 11th, 2008 at 9:46 am
I believe that one of the best things we can do is help HCR with her debt. I don’t know if links are allowed in these posts, but I am putting one here to try. Heidi Li is a staunch Clinton supporter and has some good posts on where things stand. If you still haven’t maxed, consider a contribution.
See posts here:
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
on June 11th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Flowerchild: “You know it’s sad that Obama’s people are so insecure that they have to come and spy on us. They area now all over the other sites we have posted here.”
Diamondtiger: “Obamabots don’t understand”
2debs: “yada,yada,yada
mccain 08″
andersen: “Forget your meds?”
None of you get it, do you?
The only reason I’m supporting Obama is because, of the two presumptive candidates (McCain or Obama) he is the lesser of two evils.
I’ll vote democrat no matter what in November.
Those of you willing to support McCain - exactly _how_ does he take care of your feminist issues?
none of you who keep spouting mccain 08 answer that question.
you are proof that _some_ of the Hillary supporters have done exactly what manolo minx said she isn’t doing - deifying hillary.
If you’re willing to give mccain the presidency out of spite towards what obama, dean, a-rod and the dnc have done to hillary, you never really cared about the issues at all - just your candidate.
the republican national committee (and all its spy operators) is laughing at you, all the way to the polls.
say goodbye to any chance of your feminist issues being heard, when saint john mccain becomes your next emperor.
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:13 am
I am grieving about this whole process and disgusted with the dnc and media. They chose their “trophy wife” and now have to live with the least qualified, least vetted nominee. It was Fr. Phleger’s minstrel show and the malicious glee of the Trinity congregation when he was mocking Hillary that put me over the edge. Obama is a radical in sheep’s clothing and must not be elected!
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Just read this post from someone called Shtuey. I recognized the name months back when he/she posted on an MSNBC article by Chuck Todd. Shtuey predicted everything, wins by Clinton in KY, WV, IN, etc…Whoever this person is he/she has the true crystal ball. Please read the sites Shtuey sent Dean. Also, read this regarding FL and MI which came from one of the above sites Shtuey listed:
“Hmmm, now we know why the RBC did what the did. She had over 100 delegates from Florida and 73 from Michigan. If he got zero from Michigan and both states had been able to seat with full strength, she could have added over 86 delegates and he would have lost 59. Hmm, that brings her total to 1725 and Obama’s to 1707. Day-um! I wouldn’t concede either.”
Sooo…what does this say? Not only did Senator Clinton win the popular, but she also won the delegates from FL and MI had RBC overturned every rule pertaining to MI and FL.
”
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/a-spreading-stain-links-from-around-hillary-land/
and everyone needs to read about how the DNC violated its sunshine laws: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/the-rbc-violation-of-dnc-sunshine-rules/
This information MUST be circulated across the internet, sent to super delegates, sent to the DNC, and to the McCain campaign. Let them make this a talking point against Obama as well.
The fraud of the DNC must not be allowed to stand, and we must not allow the illegitimate presumptive nominee to be shoved down our throats!
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Light a candle for Hillary - don’t let the flame go out. Somebody started this on the HRC official website a few months ago as a way to show support. Here is a link to the candle group. No cost or registration is involved.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:21 am
justzisguy said,
on June 11th, 2008 at 9:59 am
===============
You’re in the wrong neighborhood.
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Hi, andersen, from Arctic907.
on June 11th, 2008 at 10:35 am
justzisguy on June 11th, 2008 at 9:59 am SAID:
“…If you’re willing to give mccain the presidency…”
MY RESPONSE:
There are a lot people, including myself, who are not happy with how the Democratic Party leaders disenfranchised FL and MI rank-and-file Democrats, and pushed Hillary Clinton out of the race. To effect a protest, many will vote for John McCain! I am an African-American man who has taken a lot of heat for this stance, but I will stick to it.
on June 11th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hillary Rodham Clinton - President - either in 2008 or 2012. Nothing less. I do NOT want Clinton on Obama’s ticket! Let him crash and burn all on his own. She should steer clear. Clinton now or Clinton in 2012. That simple. Nothing else will make me happy. I will NEVER vote for Obama. And I do NOT want Clinton on his ticket!
on June 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Jaym: “You’re in the wrong neighborhood.”
Thank Gods you don’t run this site.
Both sista and minx have said dissenting opinions, politely expressed, are welcome.
You want to ban me from a site - set up your own.
appalled: I get _why_ you’re doing it - but have you fully thought of what the results will be?
a president who ditched his first wife for a younger richer model after he came back from war … and has later been extremely verbally abusive to the new wife.
a president who can’t tell the dif between sunni and shi’ite, and can’t tell between iran and iraq, because he’s as senile as reagan in his second term.
if we get a mccain presidency, and women and minorities are screwed again (like they have been under bush) you’ll have no one to blame but yourself.
on June 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
justzisguy,
thanks for the warning.
now, fyi, I’m not deifying hillary. I’m demonizing Barry.
Are you planning to repeat the same comments from now until Nov? Please call up your guru, get a new mantra.
on June 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Just ignore “justziguy.” He is living proof the No Child Left behind is a total failure.
on June 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I read that Obama trolls are paid when we respond to them, 12 cents a word. I am not putting anymore money into the troll on this site. 12 cents doesn’t even buy gum at a a bubble gum machine though. With pay like that, why even bother.
on June 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
love you @ Hireheels I thought you video’s on Hillaryspeaksforme.com were genious. What I want is Hillary in the white house. What I do not want is Obama in the white house. What I want is the Dean Pelosi Obama axis distroyed right down to their patten leathers and pogo pumps. I am a PUMA too and post alot at the conflunce.
You wonderful people deserve your and my girl in the white house nothing else. Hillary should do like the governor of Ohio did- “…if drafted I will not run, if nominated I will not accept, if elected I will not serve…..I can not be any more crystal clear than that..” he is a hero. And you hireheels gals and guys are too!
Love Fuzzybeargville
on June 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Flowerchild2: I’m no more a paid employee of obama than you are of Hillary. But you’re going to continue to think so, with _zero_ evidence to back up your big mouth.
jaym - ad hominem attack much? oh, wait, you probably don’t know what that is, let me spell it out - instead answering the questions posed to you, you attack the person asking the questions.
manolo minx has stayed out of your “mccainmccainmccainmccain” shouts, and, would likely actually answer some of these question … she’s got more political acumen in her big toe than you screechers combined.
I’m not an obamanite - I’m a libertarian who knows the libertarian party _can’t- win.
Understand this: despite my libertarian leanings, I do believe that the Republicans (and therefore McCain) must lose this election. Not only that, but they have to lose it big enough so that not even Diebold can make a difference. We have got to get rid of the GOP pork trough, we have got to get rid of the theocrats in the executive and judicial branches, we have got to get out of Iraq, and we have got to convince the National Republican Party that economic liberty is just as important to voters as their other civil rights. This won’t happen with a “maverick” candidate who is as far out-of-touch with the private sector as McCain is.
we must end the nastiness, and the only way to do that is to dispose of the poisonous ad hominem that Roger Ailes and Karl Rove have made the Republican counter-point to everything.
But the third rail of this election, the one topic that no major candidate will even bring up, is that the Social Security “Trust Fund” will start being tapped in 2011. Know what’s in the Social Security “Trust Fund”? T-bills. The Trust Fund will be paid out of general revenue before the next president’s first term is over.
And that may just boost the interest on the national debt to be the _largest_single_item in the Federal budget.
on June 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
justzisguy said,
we must end the nastiness
I say to him - - Then STOP!!
on June 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
FlowerChild2 on June 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm SAID:
“…I read that Obama trolls are paid when we respond to them, 12 cents a word…”
MY RESPONSE:
Thank you for the heads up about Obama bloggers. Please call them out when you see them, and I will act, accordingly.
email: wndrful@aol.com
on June 11th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
“FlowerChild2 on June 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm SAID:
“…I read that Obama trolls are paid when we respond to them, 12 cents a word…”
MY RESPONSE:
Thank you for the heads up about Obama bloggers. Please call them out when you see them, and I will act, accordingly.”
Has anyone seen any _facts_ regarding this claim?
or is it another blood libel?
on June 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
regarding the paying of O’bama bloggers, if this is true, we need to shout it to the whole world - can you show me something that backs that claim up?
on June 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
justizguy - I guess you missed out on the idea that there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America.
on June 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
I don’t begrudge justzisguy his 12 cents, after all it’s a lot less than Richardson’s 30 pieces of silver. Getting paid by the word explains why he can ramble on and on without ever getting anywhere.
In his verbose honor, I just made a contribution to Hillary and will keep track of ‘his wordiness’ and contribute to hillary as required. I suggest others on this site do the same. The more he blabbers the more we contribute to retire Hillary’s debt.
oh yeah, one more thing. McCain 08. and justzisguy…have a nice day.
on June 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
thanks, 2debs, it’s a great idea. I’ll do that and then go check out voting records on the issues that matter to me, as a feminist.
on June 11th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
I adore you ladies and gentlemen here. I am a gay man who is also a feminist too is that allowed? Dont let the trolls get you down I think your reasoning and discourse is brilliant. I think we should ignore them because all they do is distract us from our job as PUMA’s
I dont know where you all stand but I stand for Hillary and I know she will be Madame President if not now then in 2012 all good things come to those who wait.
Since 4 years is a long time to wait because Senator Obama is in a hurry to become Mondale-Dukakis-Kerry II then so be it. Our girl wioll be brilliant shining like you here at hireheels keep up the good fight.
P.S. love you all Fuzzybeargville
on June 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
andersen, are you here this evening? i’d sure like to continue the dialogue.
on June 11th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
andersen, if you still check in here, also register at http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net
on June 11th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
http://donedems.com/2008/06/11/dean-wants-clinton-off-convention-ballot-for-unity/
this was recently brought to my attention. howard dean is trying to remove hillary from the ballot at the convention. please spread the word, we cannot let this go unchallenged.
on June 12th, 2008 at 8:04 am
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on June 12th, 2008 at 8:23 am
Sorry everyone, I can’t remember where I read the 12 cents a word. I believe it was a blogger on PUMA though. I will try to find the comment again. In any event, YES to contributing to Hillary as suggested by 2Debs per the words posted by you know who. Let’s start that today!!! On an up-beat note….Dan Borem, Democrat Rep, OK…has stated publically he will not back Obama, he is too liberal, reported by Fox News. I am going to e-mail him and thank him for that.
on June 12th, 2008 at 10:00 am
This is what I am talking about….
Dear Clinton Dem,
As you probably know, Hillary still has her delegates and she will be taking them to the convention. Hillary has suspended her campaign, but she has not conceded. We realize that the DNC appears to be pushing Obama as their nominee, but know this — we are still “in it to win it”.
The role of the superdelegates is to use their independent judgment to select the candidate that has the greatest chance of winning in the fall and will make the best commander-in-chief. The owe us a duty to consider the will of the people in consideration.
Clinton Democrats are a lot like Hillary. We are strong minded, hardworking, caring and forthright people that believe in the the basic equality of all human beings — including women. We have principals and values that are core to the American way — and we believe that democracy is embodied by the phrase “one person, one vote”.
Hillary has fought her whole life for civil rights and has always been a voice for the voiceless. The biggest shame of this primary season is that too few have stood up for her.
Do not stop fighting. Do not give up on her, because she hasn’t given up on us. Do whatever little thing you can each day between now and the convention to show the country that you “have her back”.
Pam Hamilton
Clinton Democrats
on June 12th, 2008 at 10:13 am
2debs, flowerchild, jaym et al - you’re all correct - I’m a troll.
and a paid blogger to boot.
what’s so awesome is that you fell for my trolling - hook, line and sinker.
And I got exactly what I wanted.
on June 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am
justzisguy,
now that you’ve finally said it, don’t you feel a lot better?
on June 12th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Who is zisguy working for?
on June 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
He’s a paid blogger by the Obama campaign. They get 12 cents a word. So we decided that we would send Hillary 12 cents a word for every word the troller writes on this blog. We will help Hillary pay off her debt. I am just about done counting the trolls words. Anyway to help Hillary. I will post the amount as soon as I can. Rather busy today.
Peace everyone!!
on June 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
flowerchild2 you got it wrong on who is financing me.
is it really “precious”?
How would you know, how would you go about proving it?
on June 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“He’s a paid blogger by the Obama campaign. They get 12 cents a word.”
where’s your proof, or don’t you care about truth?
Is there _anything_ to substantiate the claim that got started on 15 May 2008, or are you just parrotting what you _want_ to believe is the case?
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-hires-400-new-bloggers-to-sway.html
first mention of obama paying, but no one can provide any _credible_ reliable sources.
keep repeating a lie long enough, and someone is bound to believe it.
And that’s what _my_ bosses were counting on.
on June 13th, 2008 at 12:48 am
I am in it to win it. Please send information re Million Female March. I am interested in participating. NOBAMA
on June 13th, 2008 at 1:52 am
hi everyone:
i need to let those of you who may be interested know that there is a teleconference
scheduled for saturday, june 14th with john mccain for hrc
supporters at 3:30.
here is the access info to register for the call:
email: teletownhall@johnmccain.com
or http://cityhall.johnmccain.com
if you can’t participate in the call, but want to submit a question, please send it to mkforhillary@gmail.com
on June 13th, 2008 at 8:56 am
As an older woman, I didn’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman (the media likes to say older women voted for Hillary just because she is a woman) but I voted for her because she is the most experienced, most intelligent, most caring about what has happened to this country, most compassionate about our troops suffering and is by far the strongest candidate to ever run for president. Nancy Pelosky is a woman and I would bet the majority of women that supported Hillary would never support this useless woman.
The only way to show my disapproval of the DNC and their corrupt gang of thugs is to vote for McCain. I know there are many good Democratic Senators and Congress members but where were they when Hillary was being crucified by the media and DNC? My US Representative stood up and endorsed the person that his constituents overwhelmingly voted for and that was Hillary. He refused to jump on the Obama band wagon and he will be the only Democrat I will vote for in November.
on June 13th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
I think our motto for Denver should be “Don’t make me put my heels on and go to Denver!” I know what I want- Obama out and Hillary as the nominee. NOTHING LESS. oh… and a big fat apology from anybody and everybody involved.
on June 14th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Would someone please post the puma link? I am at my home computer and the site isn’t coming up by search. Thank you!!
on June 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Here ya go fc2:
http://www.justsaynodeal.com/
Keep the great dialog going hh crew.
– scl
on June 15th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
FYI
We already know that Jihadist Obama HUSSEIN is not QUALIFIED to be the President, we now know that he is not ELIGIBLE to be President under American law. This is a great comment to a post over at Michelle Malkin’s blog:
On June 10th, 2008 at 8:37 am, legendx3 said:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.
*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days…
DAWG! This guy really is about flaunting his illegal behavior in all of our faces, isn’t he?
on June 16th, 2008 at 1:38 am
omg…this site is sooo right on! I feel like I’ve been on mars and just landed on earth again.
i want….
hillary at the top of the ticket and to be elected president
the power brokers who contrived this candidate to be really sorry they underestimated the intelligence of the american people
the bad boys (and girls) at the dnc who are playing chess with the american people to never…never…ever again think the “girls” will come around if they sweet talk us at the 11th hour
i want barack obama to be gone because he is a mascot candidate - unveiled and unknown
i want never again to have to tolerate the candidacy of another inexperienced wonder boy for the office of the president of the united states.
on June 16th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I wouldn’t believe Michelle Malkin if she said water was wet. The woman is deranged. I have plenty of reasons to dislike an Obama candidacy without giving that loon any legitimacy.
on June 16th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I love Hillary, but this is bigger than her. It’s about my self-respect. Which requires not getting over stolen elections.
parties became irrelevant this election cycle. It’s now about us, disenfranchised voters. How will our rights be best enforced? I’ll know by November. But elections thieves don’t get my vote.
on June 17th, 2008 at 6:24 am
indeed robbed voter —- this is no longer about hillary —- this is about exposing the injustices that led to this fractured party — dean and the dnc have already moved on — they’ve discarded us —- all we can do is be a thorn in their side…
on June 17th, 2008 at 11:23 am
justiz guy I hear ya… you are looking for a reasoned debate, looking to make the world a better place, and define a positive course of action going forward.
You might even think that a large group of people saying the election was stolen, that voter fraud was the reason they can’t forgive the DNC, might make a list of points, so somebody could understand what their beef exactly is, instead of just chalking it up to sour grapes, which is what a rational person would have to do, not being provided with the slightest scrap of organized evidence.
An essentially no-term US Senator against an essentially one-term US Senator with nearly the same views deserves this much of a flap?
Just in case I am being too subtle, make a case. Otherwise everyone who is rational will assume you are sore losers.
I like the ladies of this site, and I would like to assume better, and I am (relatively) open-minded, and would want to help make sure that elections are fair, but how would I ever make that decision based on the lack of information you are giving?
on June 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
alg()rhythm - you won’t get reasoned debate except from the people who are the registered writers for this site, like piper, manalo, sista etc … the rest are just chanting the same thing over and over again.
then you get a supporter that tries to say he’s not a natural born us citizen - which is in fact untrue.
that’s a lie spread to smear him, like the other comments I have read here saying they don’t care what church he goes to, they think he’s a muslim at heart.
so what? since when is _any_ candidate’s religious choice a viable thing to discuss regarding their suitability for elected office?
didn’t anyone read that part of the constitution that said “no religious test”?
this is the same thing that disgusted me when the right was tromping on romney (whatever other things made him unsuited to be president) over whether mormons are christians, or christian enough, to be president.
what does it matter, and why is the debate framed that way?
what, if you’re not a christian, you’re not good enough to be president?
like I said, rove is laughing all the way to the ballot box over the fracturing of the democratic party, and if you think obama is paying 400 of his supporters to write pro-obama comments here, how many do you think the boy genius (rove) is paying to make pro-obama posts here, knowing that’ll will just to push more hillary supporters to mccain?
on June 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Minx, regarding the citizenship thing: that lie keeps getting spread further and further on the net, and, like the guys in the 1930’s said, if a lie keeps being repeated, it will be believed.
BHO’s mom was a natural born citizen, so the commentary “Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years” is incorrect - she was born in Kansas.
And BHO was born in Hawaii, which gives him citizenship jus soli (born on us territory).
Even if Hawaii were not a state, it was considered a territory, legally, for the purposes of citizenship jus soli, since 1900.
on June 28th, 2008 at 1:19 am
attention all poster who read this last t-bone post he is a spam troll who posts the same post on all the threads her I will bet he works for the obama machine-this is the kind of civil discourse we can expect from Obamainc you obamabots are nazi’s and when you loose in november or in august I will be the one to dance on your candidates political grave
the wookie has spoken
fuzzybeargville
on June 28th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Michael, t-bone certainly isn’t very clever, is he? He dropped exactly the same diatribe on several posts here. Jeez, even bad students learn to change a few words when they copy out of the encyclopedia.
on June 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am
problem with denver is that all the hotels in denver proper have been sold out for months. you might find a room in one of the neighboring suburbs, but even those are getting slim last time I checked, which was 3 weeks ago! the good thing is that i hear denver has a decent mass transit system, so if you’re staying outside of town you should be able to get in to town relatively easy…..but a denverite is a better expert than i am!!
as to the question, “what do I want?” I want hillary as president; she earned it. second to that, I want hillary as vice president and health care czar. she must be given the full range of powers and influence in her job; the entire nation and especially BO must view her VP role in a completely blue-sky fashion and make it unlike anything we’ve ever seen. IF bo would drop the big fat ego trip and let her do her thing, it’s possible this country will pull itself out of the gutter.
If he chooses to do it any other way, he will fail. HE NEEDS HER. Hillary’s power is greater than his, in the final analysis, and he would be wise to include her (and bill) in every plan for the cabinet, policies, etc. There is NO reason why these kids can’t play together nicely in the same sandbox — they (especially he) should buck up and do it for the country, BO’s ego be damned.